- From: Michael(tm) Smith <mike@w3.org>
- Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 20:14:24 +0900
- To: Roland Merrick <roland_merrick@uk.ibm.com>
- Cc: public-html@w3.org, public-xhtml2@w3.org, public-xhtml2-request@w3.org
- Message-ID: <20080620111421.GB17752@sideshowbarker>
Hi Roland, > @2008-06-19 10:31 +0100: > HTML Working Group members > You wrote [1] to the XHTML2 Working Group asking for a response regarding > specific changes made to parts of the HTML5 Editor's Draft [2]. > > We discussed your request at our Face to Face meeting and concluded: "The > [XHTML2] WG recognises that we are chartered to maintain and develop the > XHTML series, and the HTML5 specification should therefore not contain > text that makes it appear differently". > > We request that the text be removed. > > [1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Jun/0045.html > [2] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/html5/ Thanks for the response. Now that we've initiated some public discussion of this, I'd hope that we don't cut it short prematurely and can consider continuing that public discussion without venturing into formalities -- unless and until our respective groups decide those are really necessary. In that spirit, I'd like to ask if you could consider the following request: For a number of reasons, it seems like it would be beneficial to have some text in the HTML5 draft that describes the relationship of HTML5 to XHTML 1.x. I understand that the current text in the spec which attempts to do that is not acceptable to the XHTML2 Working Group, so I'd like to ask if there is anything the XHTML2 Working Group can suggest as an alternative for the draft to say about the relationship between HTML5 and XHTML 1.x. The rest of this message is an attempt to provide background on the above inquiry. ----------------------------------------------------------------- First, I want to note for the record that the HTML5 draft has had -- since the time[1] when the HTML Working Group first agreed[2] to adopt it as "our specification text for review" -- a section[3] that attempts to describe the relationship of HTML5 to XHTML 1.x. [1] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/html5/spec/Overview.html?rev=1.1 [2] http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/40318/htmlbg/results [3] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/html5/spec/Overview.html?rev=1.1#relationship Relatively recently, it was communicated to me privately that some members of the XHTML2 Working Group had concerns about the wording of that particular section. So, editorial refinements were made to the text in the current HTML5 Editor's Draft, in an attempt to describe the relationship more precisely -- with the result being the text that can be found here: http://www.w3.org/html/wg/html5/#relationship0 Given that the HTML5 draft specification is a W3C working draft published in a space shared with the XHTML 1.x specifications, it seems that the community is likely to expect the HTML5 draft to provide a description of its relationship to the XHTML 1.x specifications. That's all that the "Relationship to XHTML 1.x" section in the current HTML5 Editor's Draft is attempting to do. That section is specifically not attempting to give any appearance that the XHTML2 Working Group is not chartered to maintain and develop the XHTML series, or, specifically updates to the XHTML 1.x specifications. (Until I saw mention of XHTML 1.2 in the minutes[4] for the XHTML2 Working Group virtual face-to-face meeting, I at least was not at all aware of plans for the group to develop XHTML 1.2.) [4] http://www.w3.org/2008/06/19-xhtml-minutes#item01 Finally, I want to note that the HTML5 specification is constrained by some particular requirements in the charter[5] for the HTML Working Group. [5] http://www.w3.org/2007/03/HTML-WG-charter.html Specifically, the HTML5 draft is constrained by the following parts of the HTML Working Group charter: The mission statement in the charter reads in full: The mission of the HTML Working Group, part of the HTML Activity, is to continue the evolution of HTML (including classic HTML and XML syntaxes). And the Scope section of the charter says: This group will maintain and produce incremental revisions to the HTML specification. Both XML and 'classic HTML' syntaxes will be produced." In addition, the Deliverables section of the charter says that the following is among the requirements for the spec the group is chartered do deliver: An extensible, serialized form of such a language, using XML. So the HTML5 draft, in its current form, does aim to meet those requirements in the charter -- and the "Relationship to XHTML 1.x" section in the HTML5 editor's draft is essentially an attempt to describe how that aspect of HTML5 relates to XHTML 1.x That's it. I hope that above provides some insight on the background for my inquiry about whether you think the XHTML2 Working Group could consider suggesting alternative language for the HTML5 draft to use for describing the relationship between HTML5 and XHTML 1.x. Regards, --Mike -- Michael(tm) Smith http://people.w3.org/mike/ http://sideshowbarker.net/
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