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Re: Leading the Forefront - with IRC ! ?

From: Marcos Caceres <m.caceres@qut.edu.au>
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 19:16:49 +1000
Message-ID: <b21a10670703260216g8a8736aw971b9c352b728992@mail.gmail.com>
To: work@gavinpearce.co.uk
Cc: "Chris Wilson" <Chris.Wilson@microsoft.com>, public-html@w3.org

>From my personal experience, if someone in the WG decides to do
something (like editing some part of a spec) they take an Action via
the trackbot (IRC). That way, it is easy to see actions someone is
undertaking and why... Please see other thread about W3C tools for
more details.

On 3/26/07, Gavin Pearce <work@gavinpearce.co.uk> wrote:
> Everyone seems to feel that a forum 'replacing' a mailing list is a really
> bad idea. In fact I agree with that myself, I do (in a mad kind of way)
> quite like my daily slog though 150 emails after a long weekend!
> Wasn't suggesting we replace anything, just run things side by side.
> If the WG archive was better designed, it could archive and sort topics in a
> tree structure. With finished spec at the bottom, first discussions at the
> top, changes & mods made, by who and what date. (perhaps with user input,
> perhaps without).
> Not planning on getting us to remove the mailing list altogether, just to
> make it to view.
> I couldn't, for example, even with a fancy email client, tell you who was
> writing the spec for what tag without reading through about 20-30 emails on
> the subject, hoping to find the one where someone said "I'll do it".
> If it was more of a tree structure, so say the work-in-progress spec at the
> top, modifications made, by who, and when, who's currently in charge of that
> spec and who's working on it, and below all that you could list the email
> structure, so all emails from start to end in an archive format.
> It can all be done via Wiki, but that requires a large amount of user input,
> if it was semi-automated it would save us time to talk about more important
> issues.
> - Gavin
> -----Original Message-----
> From: public-html-request@w3.org [mailto:public-html-request@w3.org] On
> Behalf Of Chris Wilson
> Sent: 25 March 2007 18:04
> To: Mike Schinkel; James Graham; Rick Mans
> Cc: work@gavinpearce.co.uk; David Dailey; public-html@w3.org
> Subject: RE: Leading the Forefront - with IRC ! ?
> I hear you, Mike.  I'm not actually ripping on people who prefer forums
> - I've seen some great forum systems out there.  My concern is more that
> with the number of things I participate in, I know I can't add any more
> systems that I have to deal with.  My preference is to have an email
> list backed with a decent searchable archive - which is what we have.
> Then people like me can integrate the stream into their daily work, but
> you also don't need to start at the beginning and store every message on
> your hard drive to search through it.  Good email software (which is
> pretty evolved at this point) can help tremendously in handling large
> volumes of email, I think that was James' point.
> In short, I have one reasonably synchronous system I deal with - email.
> RSS, forums, Usenet are all heavily asynch - I may poll them daily, but
> I might also not get around to it for months.
> -C
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Schinkel [mailto:mikeschinkel@gmail.com]
> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 1:29 AM
> To: 'James Graham'; 'Rick Mans'
> Cc: work@gavinpearce.co.uk; 'David Dailey'; public-html@w3.org; Chris
> Wilson
> Subject: RE: Leading the Forefront - with IRC ! ?
> James Graham wrote:
> > > IRC is somewhat old-fashioned but always usefull to
> > > have a quick and clear conversation, a forum I would
> > > prefer above a mailinglist, since most forums have a
> > > better searchfunctionality than my emailclient. Also it
> > > imho easier to keep discussion well-structured when
> > > using discussion threads on a forum, however that is my
> > > personal opinion based on previous experience with
> > > mailinglists and forums.
> > >
> > Without wanting to sound rude, it sounds like you need a
> > better email client.
> Sorry for picking on James' reply as several others have said similar,
> but
> why is it people who have a legitimate preference for something other
> than
> email get condescended by those people who do prefer email?
> Personally, I find the use of email overwhelming for lists of the volume
> level that this HTML list has. Assuming email is the only way to
> communicate
> on this project I know for certain I will be far less able of provide
> useful
> input and will often be asking questions about issues that have already
> been
> discussed than if some other more structured method would be made
> available.
> Respectfully,
> --
> -Mike Schinkel
> http://www.mikeschinkel.com/blogs/
> http://www.welldesignedurls.org
> http://atlanta-web.org - http://t.oolicio.us

Marcos Caceres
Received on Monday, 26 March 2007 09:16:53 GMT

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