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Re: Brainstorming - abbreviations

From: Guillaume Guerin <dev.deeder@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 21:41:05 +0100
To: Bill Mason <w3c@accessibleinter.net>
Cc: public-html@w3.org
Message-Id: <1173991265.10185.22.camel@Godzilla>

Le jeudi 15 mars 2007 à 13:11 -0700, Bill Mason a écrit :

> What do you perceive abbr being used incorrectly for?

Most of the time, abbr is used as an acronym element: there is a
confusion between this radically semantically different elements. I
often read online tutorials or online discuss on which we can find this

> > We shouldn't take the decision of keeping or not an element by watching
> > the percentage of people who use it. We must to ask the following
> > question 'Is this element useful?' and in this case the answer is
> > positive, due to the number of acronyms used nowadays.
> I believe you just argued that:
> * Whether or not to keep an element should not be based on usage numbers.
> * Acronym is a useful element because of its usage numbers.
> * So acronym should be kept.

I tried to say that acronym is useful __despite__ its usage number on
the Internet. Obviously, there are only some advised people who use it
(and abbr too). But if there's no acronym element, there's a semantic
gap to fill.

On the contrary, the usages, in the technical and now common language of
acronyms are more and more numerous.

> The question of whether acronym is used more would need to address, for 
> one thing, the fact that Internet Explorer supports only acronym in some 
> way, such as displaying tooltips, and does not support abbr.

I'm okay with that.

> If acronym is useful for valid semantic reasons, then fine.  But if its 
> perceived usefulness is skewed by deficiencies in current browser 
> implementations causing skewed overall usage numbers, then your question 
> is not yet answered.

I agree and that's why i approve Robert's arguments. In my opinion,
acronym correspond to a real semantic necessity. Don't take care of the
actual usage numbers on the Internet but rather of the real value of a
such element.

Guillaume Guérin, Webdeveloper -- http://www.libert-fr.com/ 
"Numerical accessibility : more than good manners, it's an attitude"
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