- From: Rik Cabanier <cabanier@adobe.com>
- Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 09:47:59 -0800
- To: "public-html-wg-announce@w3.org" <public-html-wg-announce@w3.org>
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HTML Weekly Teleconference
17 Jan 2013
[2]Agenda
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2013JanMar/0004.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2013/01/17-html-wg-irc
Attendees
Present
+1.781.568.aabb, Sam, Radhika_Roy, cabanier, Eliot,
Erika, Jay, +1.971.998.aacc, David_Carlisle, glenn,
Janina, paulc, hober, Wilto, Laura_Carlson, christian,
[Microsoft], adrianba, yoav, [IPcaller], Tantek
Regrets
Daniel_Austin
Chair
SV_MEETING_CHAIR
Scribe
cabanier
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]ACTION items due by Thursday, January 17
2. [6]New Issues This Week
3. [7]ISSUE-207: Adaptive and responsive images
4. [8]Bug 20082 (Microdata) - Change Microdata
specification track to W3C Note
5. [9]Bug 12725 (Polyglot) - Document should be on the
Note-track
6. [10]Bug 12726 (Alt techniques in HTML) - Document
should be on the Note-track
7. [11]Bug 13409 - Defining Entity references for
characters in XHTML
8. [12]Bug 15213 - Drag-and-drop processing model
9. [13]Items Closed Last Week
10. [14]: Items Closing This Week
11. [15]CfC: to publish Media Source Extensions
specification as a First Public Working Draft (FPWD)
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/
2013Jan/0005.html
12. [16]Items Closing Next Week
13. [17]CfC: handle ISSUE-207 responsive-images
consistently with Plan 2014
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/
2013Jan/0020.html
14. [18]New Surveys this week
15. [19]Preference Survey: Microdata Note vs
Recommendation Track
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/
2013Jan/0022.html
16. [20]Decisions this week
17. [21]Other Business
18. [22]Status of CfC for Encrypted Media Extensions, ETA
next week Current Candidate FPWD (not yet completed):
19. [23]Publishing Use Cases and <picture> document
through HTMLWG
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/
2012Dec/0087.html
20. [24]HTML core spec bug reorganization
21. [25]CfC: to publish ARIA in HTML specification as a
First Public Working Draft (FPWD)
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/
2013Jan/0006.html
22. [26]Chair/scribe for next meeting
* [27]Summary of Action Items
__________________________________________________________
<trackbot> Date: 17 January 2013
<paulc> [28]http://www.w3.org/2013/01/10-html-wg-minutes.html
say Rik will scribe.
[28] http://www.w3.org/2013/01/10-html-wg-minutes.html
<scribe> scribenick: cabanier
<Wilto> Well, I tried.
<Wilto> thanks, hober.
<yoav> +yoav
topic ACTION items due by Thursday, January 17
ACTION items due by Thursday, January 17
none
New Issues This Week
ISSUE-207: Adaptive and responsive images
<paulc> ISSUE-207?
<trackbot> ISSUE-207 -- Adaptive and responsive images --
raised
<trackbot> [29]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/207
[29] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/207
<laura_> If the responsive images group wants to pursue
incorporating the picture element into HTML5.0, they can do so.
But I withdraw my tracker request. I wish them the best.
paulc: we have a call for consensus which is later on the
agenda
... ... we updated the assumption for all the other tracker
issues
Bug 20082 (Microdata) - Change Microdata specification track to W3C
Note
[30]https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20082
[30] https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20082
paulc: should microdata be a rec or a note? this is also later
on the agenda
Bug 12725 (Polyglot) - Document should be on the Note-track
[31]https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12725
[31] https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12725
paulc: this is the same
... the chairs are going the preference poll one at a time
... have we done those previously?
... we want to make sure that the survey mechanism is working
correctly
... we will do the survey when microdata closes
Bug 12726 (Alt techniques in HTML) - Document should be on the
Note-track
[32]https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12726
[32] https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12726
paulc: we had a specific request to put this item on hold
<paulc> See
[33]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013J
an/0002.html
[33] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013Jan/0002.html
paulc: Steve Falckner sent the chairs a note to wait until
implementation details
... ...as of yet no bugs are filed but we expect that they will
... ... janina is going to work on this
... ... the chairs are going to leave this as outstanding
Bug 13409 - Defining Entity references for characters in XHTML
[34]https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13409
[34] https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13409
paulc: we had a proposal:
[35]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013J
an/0021.html
... David Carlisle is going to work with the group on an
extension spec
... what is the status of the spec?
[35] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013Jan/0021.html
davidc: I'm not sure about the procedure
... the spec is not on a rec track
paulc: is it xhtml- pubid?
<paulc> See
[36]http://www.w3.org/2003/entities/2007doc/xhtmlpubid.html
[36] http://www.w3.org/2003/entities/2007doc/xhtmlpubid.html
davidc: yes
paulc: what should happen to the document?
... you should take the text from your message but send it to
public-html
... and provide your solution
davidc: that sounds good
... it would be good that the implementors are aware of the
issue
... and if people have comments
Bug 15213 - Drag-and-drop processing model
[37]https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=15213
[37] https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=15213
paulc: this item was reopened
... I didn't have time to research it
... I wonder what is going on. Sam, do you know?
rubys: ... (?)
paulc: so this was raised by john?
... is there precedent to move from 5.1 to 5.0
<rubys> s/... (?)/we should process as a 5.1 issue/
paulc: we may move this to 5.1 and Sam is going investigate if
this is OK and not setting a precedent
... if it's a feature request, we can simply put it in 5.1
Items Closed Last Week
paulc: none
: Items Closing This Week
CfC: to publish Media Source Extensions specification as a First
Public Working Draft (FPWD)
[38]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013Jan/000
5.html
[38] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013Jan/0005.html
paulc: that closed last night and there were no objections
... this CfC has passed
<paulc>
[39]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013J
an/0039.html
[39] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013Jan/0039.html
paulc: ... so we will publish this
... ... Adrian and aaron are the editors and worked with Mike
Smith to get this published
... ... I will ask for a transition request
... ... probably today or tomorrow
Items Closing Next Week
CfC: handle ISSUE-207 responsive-images consistently with Plan 2014
[40]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013Jan/002
0.html
[40] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013Jan/0020.html
<paulc> ISSUE-207?
<trackbot> ISSUE-207 -- Adaptive and responsive images --
raised
<trackbot> [41]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/207
[41] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/207
paulc: there is a fair amound of position taking and there is
topical discussion going on
hober: laura is withdrawing her tracker request
Wilto: I'm in the responsive images community group
<Wilto> "If the responsive images group wants to pursue
incorporating the picture
<Wilto> element into HTML5.0, they can do so. But I withdraw my
tracker request. I wish
<Wilto> them the best."
Wilto: around 9:10, laura_ said that
paulc: she is not a member of the WG
... we will not withdraw the CFC
New Surveys this week
Preference Survey: Microdata Note vs Recommendation Track
[42]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013Jan/002
2.html
[42] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013Jan/0022.html
[43]https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/40318/microdata-status-prefe
rence-poll/
[43] https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/40318/microdata-status-preference-poll/
paulc: should it be a rec or a note? we have a poll
... .. the interim result 17 yes and 4 no
<paulc> Interim results:
[44]https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/40318/microdata-status-prefe
rence-poll/results
[44] https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/40318/microdata-status-preference-poll/results
paulc: it looks like the yes vote is in the lead. This is a
simple majority vote
Decisions this week
None
Other Business
Status of CfC for Encrypted Media Extensions, ETA next week Current
Candidate FPWD (not yet completed):
[45]https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-media/raw-file/tip/encrypted-me
dia/encrypted-media-fpwd.html
[45] https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-media/raw-file/tip/encrypted-media/encrypted-media-fpwd.html
paulc: we have a candidate draft document.
... the taskforce has 1 more bug that they need to close. This
has delayed the process by a week
... ... it will open up next tuesday probable
Publishing Use Cases and <picture> document through HTMLWG
[46]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2012Dec/008
7.html
[46] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2012Dec/0087.html
paulc: i put this on the agenda to figure out the status
hober: there are 4 to 5 src-set bug and try to work though them
... ... I don't think <picture> needs to wait for src-set.
<Wilto>
[47]http://picture.responsiveimages.org/#relationship-to-srcset
[47] http://picture.responsiveimages.org/#relationship-to-srcset
Wilto: looking through the src-set bugs, they are addressed by
the picture spec
... ... there is overlap
... I'm unsure how to coordinate
paulc: maybe someone can give us the list of bugs on srcset
<rubys>
[48]https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?bug_status=ASSIG
NED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=REOPENED&component=The%20srcset%2
0attribute&product=HTML%20WG&list_id=4252
[48] https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=REOPENED&component=The%20srcset%20attribute&product=HTML%20WG&list_id=4252
paulc: I suggest that people comment on these bugs
... ... there was thinking that we should publish the 2 documents
at the same time and that they should point to each other
... ... they are 2 proposals for the same use-cases
<Wilto> (Some of the same use-cases.)
paulc: ... I wonder if we can wait 2 more weeks until Hober fixes
his bugs
Wilto: ...(?)
Hober: 2 weeks is fine. I will try to do it faster.
paulc: the chairs are tracking this
<Wilto> "Where some of the outstanding `srcset` bugs are
addressed by the `picture` extension specification, we may not
be able to close them without knowing more about the status of
the `picture` extension spec."
???: there are duplicate bugs between w3c and whatwg bugs
hober: the bugs are cloned so they are linked together
<Wilto> "If `picture` should pass, it would effectively close
some of these bugs. If not, they would need to be addressed in
another way before the `srcset` bugs can be closed."
hober: I'm tracking it in both places
paulc: are all the bugs assigned to you, hober?
hober: yes, they are
paulc: thanks yoav for noticing that
HTML core spec bug reorganization
[49]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013J
an/0014.html
[49] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013Jan/0014.html
paulc: robin started the message about how we can reorg the
bugs
... ... I want to make it to people's attention that we will move
things around
... ... most of the bugs are under html5 and many in html.next
... ... does anyone have comments or questions? If so, post them
to the admin list
CfC: to publish ARIA in HTML specification as a First Public Working
Draft (FPWD)
[50]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013Jan/000
6.html
[50] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013Jan/0006.html
paulc: this cfc passed some time ago and is awaiting
publication
... is anyone on the call that can update us?
(silence)
paulc: the transition request for the documents has not been
sent to the chairs list yet
... I have 2 pending requests.
... are there any other questions?
Chair/scribe for next meeting
paulc: Maciej will most likely chair
... who wants to scribe
no scribe volunteer
RRSAgent: make minutes
Summary of Action Items
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