- From: Glenn Adams <glenn@skynav.com>
- Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 11:09:35 -0600
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Draft minutes available at http://www.w3.org/2012/07/12-html-wg-minutes.html,
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HTML Weekly Teleconference
12 Jul 2012
[2]Agenda
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2012JulSep/0004.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2012/07/12-html-wg-irc
Attendees
Present
glenn, yang, Sam, Janina, eliot, [Microsoft], paulc,
Radhika_Roy, ddorwin, Laura_Carlson, mjs, krisk, hober,
adrianba, frankolivier, +1.818.370.aaaa, MIke,
+1.415.832.aabb
Regrets
Chair
mjs
Scribe
glenn
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]ACTION items due by Thursday, July 12
2. [6]New Issues This Week
3. [7]Items closed Last Week
4. [8]Issues Closing This Week
5. [9]Items Closing Next Week
6. [10]New Calls This Week
7. [11]New Surveys This Week
8. [12]Decisions This Week
9. [13]Task Force Reports
10. [14]Other Business
11. [15]AOB?
12. [16]Scribe for Next Meeting
13. [17]Adjournment
* [18]Summary of Action Items
__________________________________________________________
<trackbot> Date: 12 July 2012
mjs: i already started trackbot
<scribe> ScribeNick: glenn
ACTION items due by Thursday, July 12
ACTION-217?
<trackbot> ACTION-217 -- Richard Schwerdtfeger to create a
joint Path location add hit testing binding CP for ISSUE-201
that binds canvas to fallback content (Rich, Ted, Frank) -- due
2012-06-21 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [19]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/217
[19] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/217
mjs: one item ACTION-217
... Ted and Frank are working this, SF has commented proposing
his own
<paulc> Steve's proposal is at
[20]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/hitregions
[20] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/hitregions
<paulc> This is a revision to Ted's proposal
hober: some outstanding feedback from SF and Rich which might
result in some changes
... but thinks it is stable
paulc: SF submitted comments/changes to Ted's proposal
... operative question is that others need to review SF's
counter proposal
mjs: may need to go to survey, but two proposals are much
closer now
<paulc> Status of ISSUE-201:
[21]http://dev.w3.org/html5/status/issue-status.html#ISSUE-201
[21] http://dev.w3.org/html5/status/issue-status.html#ISSUE-201
close ACTION-217
<trackbot> ACTION-217 Create a joint Path location add hit
testing binding CP for ISSUE-201 that binds canvas to fallback
content (Rich, Ted, Frank) closed
paulc: should there be new action on Ted to review?
mjs: thinks ML thread is sufficient
janina: heard from rich will post soon
<paulc> Active discussion at:
[22]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jul/006
4.html
[22] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jul/0064.html
janina: nobody is disagreeing, sounds more like clarification
discussion
mjs: still should be able to reach consensus
... continue discussion on ML
New Issues This Week
none
mjs: one tracker request
... to be LC2 comment
Items closed Last Week
ISSUE-189?
<trackbot> ISSUE-189 -- Prefix convention needs to be
coordinated with IETF -- open
<trackbot> [23]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/189
[23] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/189
ISSUE-200?
<trackbot> ISSUE-200 -- Allow wrapping LEGEND (or new iLEGEND)
in non-FIELDSET elements -- open
<trackbot> [24]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/200
[24] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/200
mjs: both calls have closed
Issues Closing This Week
none
Items Closing Next Week
ISSUE-199?
<trackbot> ISSUE-199 -- Define complete processing requirements
for ARIA attributes -- open
<trackbot> [25]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/199
[25] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/199
mjs: CfC active, revisions to CPs, consensus proposal present
New Calls This Week
ISSUE-199?
<trackbot> ISSUE-199 -- Define complete processing requirements
for ARIA attributes -- open
<trackbot> [26]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/199
[26] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/199
New Surveys This Week
ISSUE-200?
<trackbot> ISSUE-200 -- Allow wrapping LEGEND (or new iLEGEND)
in non-FIELDSET elements -- open
<trackbot> [27]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/200
[27] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/200
ISSUE-189?
<trackbot> ISSUE-189 -- Prefix convention needs to be
coordinated with IETF -- open
<trackbot> [28]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/189
[28] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/189
mjs: Julian raised issue that IETF desires further discussion,
will check with Philippe
... may put survey on hold, but should still provide input
paulc: plh says go ahead with survey
... will respond on ML on this thread
Decisions This Week
none
Task Force Reports
[$1\47] Testing Task Force
kris: good morning, didn't meet last week will meet next week
<krisk>
[29]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/Testing#Upcoming_meetings
[29] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/Testing#Upcoming_meetings
kris: schedule has been extended and posted on wiki
... had discussed spec change about pattern repeat, opened bug
sent to list
<krisk>
[30]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jul/006
5.html
[30] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jul/0065.html
kris: will have to see what consensus develops
... q/c?
yang: what day is testing call?
<krisk> Please see [31]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/Testing
[31] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/Testing
kris: see above link
yang: ok
<paulc>
[32]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/Testing#Conference_Calls
[32] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/Testing#Conference_Calls
[$1\47] Accessibility Task Force
janina: not a lot to report
... people have continued working on their tasks
... lack of quorum in last call
... progress, but slower than usual
... chairs are aware of status changes on ISSUE-194, etc
... and on ISSUE-201, nothing to add on what's been said
... strongly opposed to moving ISSUE-203 forward before
resolving ISSUE-30
[that is the TF is opposed]
mjs: yang is on queue
yang: noticed on ML that may decide on 3 options on ISSUE-194
<paulc>
[33]http://dev.w3.org/html5/status/issue-status.html#ISSUE-194
[33] http://dev.w3.org/html5/status/issue-status.html#ISSUE-194
yang: will we discuss on this call?
janina: can do if folks like
paulc: chairs are preparing a survey on three options
yang: a new survey?
paulc: [explains process]
yang: another question
... for ??? detection ???
[scribe: did not follow question]
paulc: question is about hit testing and whether it is related
to accessibility
<paulc>
[34]http://dev.w3.org/html5/status/issue-status.html#ISSUE-201
[34] http://dev.w3.org/html5/status/issue-status.html#ISSUE-201
paulc: see ISSUE-201
... [explains process about task forces]
... answer is yes, it is an accessibility related issue
... as are many other issues on status page posted above
Other Business
ISSUE-189?
<trackbot> ISSUE-189 -- Prefix convention needs to be
coordinated with IETF -- open
<trackbot> [35]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/189
[35] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/189
mjs: CP was revised as requested by chairs, now have gone to
survey
... some questions about IETF coordination, but will proceed
ISSUE-201?
<trackbot> ISSUE-201 -- Provide canvas location and hit testing
capability to fallback content -- open
<trackbot> [36]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/201
[36] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/201
mjs: two proposals now with slightly different variants
... from hober and SF
... q/c?
ISSUE-204?
<trackbot> ISSUE-204 -- Exempt ARIA attributes from the rule
that prohibits reference to hidden elements -- open
<trackbot> [37]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/204
[37] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/204
mjs: seems to have material differences in CPs
hober: JF and I went back and forth on this
... have gotten closer, hope to find compromise wording
... a little more work to get agreement with JF
janina: would be happiest if we can reach consensus on language
... not sure how to move in that direction, would be good if
hober can move this
... great concern is there are large # of disabled users not
using screen readers
... problems with tab approach
... probably not meeting all use cases
<laura> "Every good-faith effort has been made here, and if at
this time you and Jonas are still unprepared to endorse the V4
CP, then I will ask the Accessibility Task Force for their
endorsement of the V4 CP and ask that the Chairs proceed with a
WBS survey on Issue 204." - John Foliot, June 29.
<laura>
[38]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jun/017
6.html
[38] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jun/0176.html
mjs: yang on queue
yang: why does ARIA need to see hidden element?
... worried about breaking service logic
<yang> why let ARIA see the hidden, it will ruin the JS dynamic
service logic
hober: thinks what yang is asking is whether elements that are
hidden, with visibility toggled from script
... shouldn't pose a problem for ARIA attributes
... should be OK
yang: if disabled users use ARIA, then they can see hidden
elements?
... does ARIA differentiate between hidden and not hidden?
<yang> can user see the difference by aria for hidden and
not-hidden?
mjs: suggests taking this discussion offline
... or discuss on ML
<paulc> Yang could also attend the A11Y TF meeting
yang: ok
Using ARIA in HTML
[39]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jun/016
5.html
[39] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jun/0165.html
<yang> any A11Y TF conference call information?
mjs: any q/c about this document (Using ARIA in HTML)?
glenn: what is intended purpose of this doc? for info only?
paulc: intent is to fill in gaps, more readable
... less jargon
<paulc> From 0165.html: "My intention is to provide a non
normative resource that fills in the gaps in the current HTML5
specification and a document that is more readable (i.e. less
jargonist)"
glenn: thanks, yes
paulc: points out that it does deviate from HTML5
glenn: do we need further action by WG?
paulc: at present, author is requesting feedback
... no specific actions for WG at this time
... there is a bugzilla component for this...
<paulc> Bugzilla component and link:
[40]https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/enter_bug.cgi?product=HTML%2
0WG&component=Using%20ARIA%20in%20HTML
[40] https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/enter_bug.cgi?product=HTML%20WG&component=Using%20ARIA%20in%20HTML
glenn: asks janina if A11Y TF has any position on this document
janina: not at this time, has not discussed
... there is a group in TF working on mapping
... so unclear
... TF needs to discuss
AOB?
paulc: wants to report that group of members dealing with work
on media proposal
... continue to meet on weekly basis
... significant advances on both EME and MSE proposals
<paulc> EME minutes:
[41]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2012J
ul/0034.html
[41] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2012Jul/0034.html
paulc: substantial changes to both interfaces to be more O-O
... any one interested in that work should contact paulc
... also see public-html-media archive
Scribe for Next Meeting
mjs: any volunteers
<paulc> Paul will be chairing
Ted volunteers. Paul C will chair.
Adjournment
mjs: adjourned
... see you next week
trackbot, end meeting
Summary of Action Items
[End of minutes]
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