- From: Glenn Adams <glenn@skynav.com>
- Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 10:34:40 -0600
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On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 10:30 AM, Glenn Adams <glenn@skynav.com> wrote:
> Draft minutes are at http://www.w3.org/2012/03/22-html-wg-minutes.html.
> Text version follows:
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> - DRAFT -
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> HTML Weekly Teleconference
>
> 22 Mar 2012
>
> [2]Agenda
>
> [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2012JanMar/0027.html
>
> See also: [3]IRC log
>
> [3] http://www.w3.org/2012/03/22-html-wg-irc
>
> Attendees
>
> Present
> glenn, eliot, hober, Sam, +1.415.832.aaaa, krisk, paulc,
> Judy, [Microsoft], adrianba, Cynthia_Shelly, tantek
>
> Chair
> sam (rubys)
>
> Scribe
> glenn
>
> Contents
>
> * [4]Topics
> 1. [5]ACTION items due by Thursday, March 22
> 2. [6]New Issues This Week
> 3. [7]Items Closed Last Week
> 4. [8]Items Closing This Week
> 5. [9]Items Closing Next Week
> 6. [10]New Calls this week
> 7. [11]New Surveys this week
> 8. [12]Decisions this week
> 9. [13]Task Force Reports
> 10. [14]Other Business
> 11. [15]Scribe for next meeting
> 12. [16]Adjournment
> * [17]Summary of Action Items
> __________________________________________________________
>
> <trackbot> Date: 22 March 2012
>
> <tantek> greetings
>
> morning
>
> <scribe> Scribe: glenn
>
> <tantek> now that is hilarious
>
> i guess i should talk to myself at this point ... ;)
>
> <rubys> trackbot, start meeting
>
> <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
>
> <trackbot> Date: 22 March 2012
>
> <scribe> Chair: rubys
>
> <scribe> Scribe: glenn
>
> <scribe> Agenda:
> [18]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce
> /2012JanMar/0027.html
>
> [18] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2012JanMar/0027.html
>
> ACTION items due by Thursday, March 22
>
> None
>
> New Issues This Week
>
> None
>
> Items Closed Last Week
>
> ISSUE-187: validity-stability, Agree/Disagree to Amicable
> Resolution closed Mar 13
>
> [19]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/022
> 5.html
>
> [19] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/0225.html
>
> <trackbot> ISSUE-187 Document conformance has to be stable over
> the time notes added
>
> rubys: no objections
>
> ISSUE-80 was incorrectly included
>
> <rubys>
> [20]http://dev.w3.org/html5/status/issue-status.html#ISSUE-080
>
> [20] http://dev.w3.org/html5/status/issue-status.html#ISSUE-080
>
> ISSUE-131: caret-location-API, Call for Counter Proposals
> closed Mar 14
>
> [21]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/020
> 9.html
>
> [21] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0209.html
>
> <trackbot> ISSUE-131 Should we add a caret location API to
> canvas, or is the focus API sufficient? notes added
>
> ISSUE-158: object-content-model, Call for Counter Proposals
> closes Mar 14
>
> [22]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/019
> 8.html
>
> [22] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0198.html
>
> <trackbot> ISSUE-158 HTML4's content-model for <object> should
> continue notes added
>
> ISSUE-205: text-editing-canvas, Call for Counter Proposals
> closed Mar 14
>
> [23]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/020
> 8.html
>
> [23] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0208.html
>
> <trackbot> ISSUE-205 Define what author guidance and/or methods
> should be provided to those that wish to create accessible text
> editors using canvas as a rendering surface. notes added
>
> ISSUE-179: av_param, Agree/Disagree to Amicable Resolution
> closed Mar 15
>
> [24]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/027
> 7.html
>
> [24] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/0277.html
>
> <trackbot> ISSUE-179 {audio,video} require param child (or
> equivalent) notes added
>
> Items Closing This Week
>
> ISSUE-193: inaccessible-example, Call for Counter Proposals
> closes Mar 21
>
> [25]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/026
> 4.html
>
> [25] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0264.html
>
> <trackbot> ISSUE-193 Remove CSS example that promotes
> inaccessible content notes added
>
> rubys: will go to CfC shortly
>
> ISSUE-194: full-transcript, Call for Counter Proposals closes
> Mar 21
>
> [26]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/026
> 6.html
>
> [26] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0266.html
>
> <trackbot> ISSUE-194 Provide a mechanism for associating a full
> transcript with an audio or video element. notes added
>
> rubys: have two extension requests
>
> ISSUE-195: form-http-req, Call for Counter Proposals closes Mar
> 21
>
> [27]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/026
> 3.html
>
> [27] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0263.html
>
> <trackbot> ISSUE-195 Enhance http request generation from forms
> notes added
>
> rubys: two proposals, chairs will evaluate
>
> ISSUE-196: ua-http-resp-handling, Call for Counter Proposals
> closes Mar 21
>
> [28]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/026
> 8.html
>
> [28] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0268.html
>
> <trackbot> ISSUE-196 Define user agent http response handling
> behaviour notes added
>
> rubys: no counters, next step CfC
>
> ISSUE-197: accept-file-ext, Call for Counter Proposals closes
> Mar 21
>
> <trackbot> ISSUE-197 Accept attribute should allow file
> extensions in addition to the current allowed values notes
> added
>
> [29]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/026
> 5.html
>
> [29] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0265.html
>
> ISSUE-199: aria-processing, Call for Counter Proposals closes
> Mar 21
>
> [30]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/026
> 9.html
>
> [30] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0269.html
>
> <trackbot> ISSUE-199 Define complete processing requirements
> for ARIA attributes notes added
>
> rubys: will evaluate
>
> ISSUE-201: canvas-fallback, Call for Counter Proposals closes
> Mar 21
>
> [31]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/026
> 7.html
>
> [31] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0267.html
>
> <trackbot> ISSUE-201 Provide canvas location and hit testing
> capability to fallback content notes added
>
> rubys: has ext request
>
> ISSUE-190: coding-example, Call for Consensus closes Mar 23
>
> [32]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/046
> 3.html
>
> [32] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0463.html
>
> <trackbot> ISSUE-190 Replace poor coding example for figure
> with multiple images notes added
>
> rubys: CfC closes tomorrow
>
> Items Closing Next Week
>
> ISSUE-80: title-alternative, Call for Consensus closes Mar 28
>
> [33]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/060
> 3.html
>
> [33] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/0603.html
>
> <trackbot> ISSUE-80 document conformance and device dependent
> display of title attribute content notes added
>
> ISSUE-134: tab-states, Revise Change Proposals closes Mar 28
>
> [34]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/054
> 7.html
>
> [34] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/0547.html
>
> <trackbot> ISSUE-134 Provide tablist and tab states for menu
> and command elements respectively notes added
>
> ISSUE-191: ins-del, Revise Change Proposals closes Mar 28
>
> [35]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jan/012
> 8.html
>
> [35] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jan/0128.html
>
> <trackbot> ISSUE-191 Replace/complement <ins> and <del>
> elements by a cleaner wysiwyg-safe attribute-based solution
> notes added
>
> ISSUE-200: legend-placement, Call for Counter Proposals closes
> Mar 28
>
> [36]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/046
> 6.html
>
> [36] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0466.html
>
> <trackbot> ISSUE-200 Allow wrapping LEGEND (or new iLEGEND) in
> non-FIELDSET elements notes added
>
> New Calls this week
>
> None
>
> rubys: double checking...
> ... two issued
> ... that weren't in agenda
>
> <rubys>
> [37]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/060
> 2.html
>
> [37] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/0602.html
>
> ISSUE-204?
>
> <trackbot> ISSUE-204 -- Exempt ARIA attributes from the rule
> that prohibits reference to hidden elements -- open
>
> <trackbot> [38]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/204
>
> [38] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/204
>
> rubys: call for alternate CPs or counter CPs
>
> <rubys>
> [39]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/060
> 3.html
>
> [39] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/0603.html
>
> ISSUE-80?
>
> <trackbot> ISSUE-80 -- document conformance and device
> dependent display of title attribute content -- open
>
> <trackbot> [40]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/80
>
> [40] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/80
>
> rubys: CfC
>
> New Surveys this week
>
> None
>
> Decisions this week
>
> Close ISSUE-170 rel-uri-valid by Amicable Resolution
>
> [41]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/055
> 3.html
>
> [41] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/0553.html
>
> Close ISSUE-179 av_param by Amicable Resolution
>
> [42]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/055
> 4.html
>
> [42] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/0554.html
>
> Close ISSUE-182 footnote-recommendation by Amicable Resolution
>
> [43]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/055
> 5.html
>
> [43] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/0555.html
>
> Close ISSUE-187 validity-stability by Amicable Resolution
>
> [44]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/055
> 6.html
>
> [44] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/0556.html
>
> Close ISSUE-188: generic-track-format by Amicable Resolution
>
> [45]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/055
> 7.html
>
> [45] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/0557.html
>
> Close ISSUE-192 title-attribute by Amicable Resolution
>
> [46]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/055
> 8.html
>
> [46] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/0558.html
>
> rubys: questions or comments?
>
> Task Force Reports
>
> Testing Task Force
>
> krisk: met last week, will meet again on 27th
>
> <krisk> Notes ->
> [47]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-testsuite/2
> 012Mar/0005.html
>
> [47] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-testsuite/2012Mar/0005.html
>
> krisk: won't fix bug that existed
>
> <krisk>
> [48]https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=15042
>
> [48] https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=15042
>
> krisk: canvas tests, listed in notes
>
> <krisk> Microsoft submitting some Progress and Range Tests
>
> rubys: questions?
>
> Accessibility Task Force
>
> janina: two main items
>
> <scribe> ... new canvas section coming from editor
>
> UNKNOWN_SPEAKER: not everything is clear, but one thing is
> clear: straying into approaches inconsistent with html5 time
> line
> ... at least for good a11y support
> ... so this is a concern
> ... second avenue, aria attribute (ARIA 1.1) draft...
> ... like longdesc (ISSUE-30)
> ... summarize as some people still want to develop longdesc
> ... the describe-at attr should apply to more elements than img
> ... aimed at markup, not just html
> ... e.g. svg
> ... not quite settled
> ... maybe 'obsolete but conforming' is acceptable
> ... a11y still thinks longdesc is needed today
> ... longdesc is implemented, but inconsistently
> ... that's it for now
>
> rubys: doesn't believe current proposals describe longdesc as
> obsolete but conforming
>
> janina: correct
>
> rubys: may need new CP or modification
>
> janina: expects laura is not in favor of "that"
> ... can beef up proposals
>
> <Judy> s/"that"/obsolete but conforming
>
> janina: not to fix described-by but fix ?
> ... come up with other additional attribute
>
> <Judy> s/"that?"/obsolete but conforming/
>
> janina: thinks current CP covers problem with described-by
>
> rubys: questions? comments?
>
> judy: side note: janina has coord request with Paul, but trying
> to schedule
>
> paulc: glad to try
>
> rubys: other questions? comments?
>
> Other Business
>
> CfC: Publish ten heartbeat drafts as WDs
>
> [49]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/024
> 7.html
>
> [49] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0247.html
>
> Revert request r7023
>
> [50]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/049
> 1.html
>
> [50] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/0491.html
>
> rubys: extension request, chairs trying to sort out
>
> F2F registration page
>
> [51]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/048
> 8.html
>
> [51] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/0488.html
>
> rubys: everybody should register
> ... AOB?
>
> adrianba: ISSUE-180?
>
> ISSUE-180?
>
> <trackbot> ISSUE-180 -- Add "allow-popups" for iframe@sandbox
> -- open
>
> <trackbot> [52]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/180
>
> [52] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/180
>
> <adrianba>
> [53]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/051
> 1.html
>
> [53] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/0511.html
>
> scribe: unable to implement decision due to lack of information
> ... CP should have all details
> ... no feedback stating otherwise
> ... wonders about status of this work
>
> rubys: not yet applied to spec
> ... knows of no specific request for clarification, etc.
>
> Scribe for next meeting
>
> paulc: will be chairing
>
> rubys: is ted available for next meeting?
>
> ted: yes
> ... volunteers for next meeting
>
> Adjournment
>
> adjourned
>
> trackbot, end meeting
>
> Summary of Action Items
>
> [End of minutes]
> __________________________________________________________
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