- From: Michael(tm) Smith <mike@w3.org>
- Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 01:56:14 +0900
- To: public-html-wg-announce@w3.org
http://www.w3.org/2009/10/01-html-wg-minutes.html
Present
MichaelCooper Cynthia_Shelly Eliot_Graff Julian MikeSmith
Philippe AnneVK Carlos MartinKliehm Laura Larry Maciej Paulc
Chair: Maciej
Scribe: MikeSmith
* Topics
1. Review of due and overdue action items
2. New issues this week
3. Status of Call For Consensus emails
4. Scribe for next meeting
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Review of due and overdue action items
issue-41?
<trackbot> ISSUE-41 -- Decentralized extensibility -- RAISED
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/41
http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/41
<paulc> I have having a hard time hearing the speaker.
<paulc> Carlos: Can you mute?
mjs: continue the e-mail discussion on issue 41, close the action
item
... any comments?
action-97: adrian posted proposal
<trackbot> ACTION-97 Following SVG-in-HTML thread, propose
decentralized extensibility strategy for HTML5 notes added
close action-97
<trackbot> ACTION-97 Following SVG-in-HTML thread, propose
decentralized extensibility strategy for HTML5 closed
issue-7?
<trackbot> ISSUE-7 -- codec support and the <video> element -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/7
http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/7
action-130?
<trackbot> ACTION-130 -- David Singer to review status of video
codec positions -- due 2009-10-01 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/130
http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/130
<mjs> http://www.w3.org/2009/09/acc-media-html-gathering.html
http://www.w3.org/2009/09/acc-media-html-gathering.html
mjs: there will be an accessible media workshop prior to TPAC
... objections pot postponing the date on the action?
action 130 due 2009-10-15
<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - 130
action-130 due 2009-10-15
<trackbot> ACTION-130 Review status of video codec positions due
date now 2009-10-15
issue-76?
<trackbot> ISSUE-76 -- Concerns about Microdata section and
inclusion/exclusion of RDFa -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/76
http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/76
mjs: Manu not here this week, we can have him give an update next
week
... and figure out what the next steps are
action-141?
<trackbot> ACTION-141 -- Maciej Stachowiak to document Last Call
comment process -- due 2009-09-30 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/141
http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/141
<masinter> link issue 76 with distributed extensibility issue?
mjs: chairs believe it's important to document our process for
dealing with LC comments
... we are going to have a lot of LC comments, more than most other
W3C specs in recent memory
... we want to be able to have a process to try to deal with most
issues very quickly
... we believe we can start using the process now
<masinter> +1 for documenting process for handling WG members pre-LC
comments
mjs: a need a few more days for chairs to complete the discussion
... questions or comments on this?
masinter: I think the process for WG comments and handling also be
formal
... start the process now, whether or not we're in LC yet
action-141 due 2009-10-8
<trackbot> ACTION-141 Document Last Call comment process due date
now 2009-10-8
issue-32?
<trackbot> ISSUE-32 -- how to provide a summary of a table, e.g. for
unsighted navigation? -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/32
http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/32
action-145 due 2009-10-15
<trackbot> ACTION-145 Update table summary draft due date now
2009-10-15
action-146?
<trackbot> ACTION-146 -- Paul Cotton to ask for a volunteer to run
the testing Task Force -- due 2009-10-08 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/146
http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/146
action-148?
<trackbot> ACTION-148 -- Paul Cotton to recruit a Task Force
facilitator for the HTML WG -- due 2009-10-08 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/148
http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/148
action-146: Paul sent email to the list
<trackbot> ACTION-146 Ask for a volunteer to run the testing Task
Force notes added
action-148: paulc sent email to the list
<trackbot> ACTION-148 Recruit a Task Force facilitator for the HTML
WG notes added
close action-146
<trackbot> ACTION-146 Ask for a volunteer to run the testing Task
Force closed
close action-148
<trackbot> ACTION-148 Recruit a Task Force facilitator for the HTML
WG closed
paulc: I have not completed yet the action that requires some
discussion with Manu
issue-54?
<trackbot> ISSUE-54 -- tools that can't generate <!DOCTYPE html> --
CLOSED
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/54
http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/54
action-103?
<trackbot> ACTION-103 -- Lachlan Hunt to register about: URI scheme
-- due 2009-09-24 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/103
http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/103
mjs: we should file an issue in the HTML5 CR component
<paulc> BTW Action-147 from Paul is still outstanding
(http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/147
http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/147
masinter: there comments on this that the author hasn't responded to
mjs: any volunteers to report on it?
... otherwise, I am OK with closing the action
<paulc> I changed due date on ACTION-147 to next week.
mjs: the action came about because we added about:legacy-compat as a
part of the "legacy" doctype for XSLT engines to generate
masinter: but the draft of the about: scheme registration didn't
even mention about:legacy-compat
... is there a way to track this differently?
anne2: we have a bunch of similar cases of scheme registrations that
we will need to deal with, this is not unique
mjs: yeah, we don't need to track this separately, so seems like we
can close this action
masinter: point is to check the normative references and see if they
have progressed
... even of the URI documents are not approved, still want to be
able to track -- just asking
mjs: part of what we need to do before PR transition is check all
the normative references ourselves
masinter: just trying to figure out how we plan to keep track of the
technical dependencies
close action-103
<trackbot> ACTION-103 Register about: URI scheme closed
<paulc> I expect we will get LC comments on the exact references and
their status.
mjs: any other comments?
New issues this week
issue-81?
<trackbot> ISSUE-81 -- Offline Web Applications section should use
the term "representation" instead of "resource" -- RAISED
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/81
http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/81
mjs: bunch of discussion on the list, mostly a matter of word choice
<anne2> paulc, yeah, we just need to check it every now and then,
but it goes for a lot of the references
mjs: anybody have anything to say on this issue?
masinter: I think I'll comment on the list -- there's the URL
terminology but this is separate... issue really is -- if you
consider it an issue -- about whether it's a problem to have the
same terms used differently in this document as compared to existing
documents
<Zakim> Julian, you wanted to say that it's also about the spec
being inconsistent in itself
masinter: and confused use of resource vs representation can lead to
problems in discussion of, e.g., conneg
Julian: it's also a problem in that use of the term "resource" is
internally inconsistent in the spec itself
mjs: other comments?
issue-82?
<trackbot> ISSUE-82 -- Suggested replacement for head/@profile does
not provide for disambiguation -- RAISED
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/82
http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/82
mjs: this is about details of the UA processing requirements for
head/@profile
issue-83?
<trackbot> ISSUE-83 -- Use of the dt and dd elements in figure and
details content models -- RAISED
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/83
http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/83
mjs: this is capturing the objection that this reuse of dt and dd
extends their semantics
... any comments?
issue-84?
<trackbot> ISSUE-84 -- Should spec discourage use of "legacy"
doctypes? -- RAISED
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/84
http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/84
mjs: we discussed the about:legacy form of the doctype
Julian, is this about about:legacy doctype or about the XHTML 1.0
and HTML 4.01 doctypes?
<mjs> End of section 9.1.1
<anne2> "The DOCTYPE legacy string should not be used unless the
document is generated from a system that cannot output the shorter
string.
<anne2> "
<Julian> Mike, originally the former
<anne2> --
http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#doctype-legac
y-string
http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#doctype-legacy-string
Julian: I raised it because of the about:legacy doctype, but in
discussion about this on IRC, the point was made that it doesn't
make sense to discourage any conforming doctypes that trigger
standards mode
Status of Call For Consensus emails
mjs: I sent a CfC: Create Testing Task Force message
... so if you have objections or comments, follow up to that e-mail
... any questions or comments now?
... I also sent a CfC: Create HTML Accessibility Task Force message
... but I did not cite the actual work statement
... paulc followed up by posting a link to the actual work statement
... and I will follow up to make clear that everybody should review
the actual work statement
... my mistake..
... questions or comments?
Scribe for next meeting
mjs: I think rubys will be chairing
... I you volunteer to scribe, you will receive many 11brownie
points
plh, you volunteering?
<plh> yes, I volunteered
scribe will be plh
mjs: any final questions or comments before we adjourn?
masinter: there will be an IETF meeting the week after the TPAC
<paulc> special hotel rate for TPAC expires on Oct 12.
masinter: anybody else planning to be at the IETF meeting?
<masinter> i'll email it
<masinter> it's in Japan, MikeSmith
<Julian> http://www.ietf.org/meeting/76/
http://www.ietf.org/meeting/76/
mjs: yeah, we should highlight that to the group
masinter, I will probably still be in the US that week
<masinter> http://trac.tools.ietf.org/bof/trac/wiki
http://trac.tools.ietf.org/bof/trac/wiki
<Julian> IETF 76 - Hiroshima, Japan November 8-13 2009
[adjourned]
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Michael(tm) Smith
http://people.w3.org/mike/
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