- From: Kris Krueger <krisk@microsoft.com>
- Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2012 15:41:35 +0000
- To: Kris Krueger <krisk@microsoft.com>, "'public-html-testsuite@w3.org'" <public-html-testsuite@w3.org>
Meeting Notes: * A number of new bugs (from dom viewer), they are not HTML bugs rather CSS bugs (layout) * Approved Pengcheng Guo <guopengcheng@baidu.com> contentEditable tests Note http://www.w3c-test.org/html/tests/submission/Baidu/editing/user-interaction-editing-spellcheck.htmlthough looks incorrect/not approved * Moved the Opera document.write tests to approved folder IRC Log Below (RSSAgent down due to systems issues) [07:57] == krisk [qw3birc@128.30.52.28] has joined #htmlt [08:00] <krisk> We can wait a bit to see if more people attend [08:05] <krisk> Let's get rolling [08:06] <krisk> Agenda -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-testsuite/2012Aug/0011.html [08:06] <krisk> Agenda Item #1 Bugs on Approved Tests [08:07] <krisk> Short Link To Bugzilla http://tinyurl.com/6mvghxx [08:07] <krisk> Currently we have 25 Bugs [08:07] <krisk> A number of 'new' bugs have been opened [08:08] <krisk> See bug # 18682 [08:08] <krisk> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=18682 [08:09] <@jgraham> Yeah Hixie added something to the live DOM viewer [08:10] <@jgraham> So far I am unconvinced at the utility of this feature, but we can give it a go [08:10] <krisk> Looking at http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/ [08:11] == plh_ [plh@128.30.52.28] has joined #htmlt [08:11] * plh_ suffers flacky network this morning :( [08:11] <krisk> Looking at http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/?%3C!doctype%20html%3E%0A%3Chtml%3E%0A%3Chead%3E%0A%09%3Ctitle%3EFoo%3C/title%3E%0A%3C/head%3E%0A%3Cbody%3E%0A%09%3Ctable%20style%3D%22position:%20fixed;%20top:%200;%20bottom:%200;%20background-color:%20red;%22%3E%0A%09%09%3Ctr%3E%0A%09%09%09%3Ctd%20style%3D%22height:%2050px;%20vertical-align:%20center;%22%3EHi%3C/td%3E%0A%09%09%3C/tr%3E%0A%0A%09%3C/table%3E%0A%3C/body%3E%0A%3C/html%3E [08:12] <krisk> Which is a link in bug #18694 (https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=18694) [08:13] <@jgraham> Yeah, this is why I'm not convinced it's good. It's hard to tell what the intention there is or whether it's just spam [08:13] <krisk> FWIW - One browser renders this differently all the others render the same.. [08:14] <plh_> indeed. I guess the submitter wanted us to add a test for tbody. we don't need to use the live viewer for that. [08:14] <krisk> The <td> element is 50px tall in all but one [08:14] <plh_> oh [08:14] <plh_> but isn't that a css test? [08:14] <@jgraham> Yeah, it could be an OPera bug, I would need to dig out some CSS specs to be sure [08:14] <@jgraham> (assuming this part of the table model is actually defined) [08:15] <krisk> Yes the html spec doesn't dictate the actual rendering behavior [08:15] <krisk> e.g. it's not normative [08:16] <@jgraham> But it's a terrible TC and probably not for the HTML TS in any case [08:16] <@jgraham> (unless I missed the point) [08:16] <krisk> agree [08:16] <plh_> agreed [08:16] <krisk> Looking at the others to see if they are all the same (which looks like it..) [08:17] <krisk> plh, looks like the RRSAgent is not running (it doesn't show up when I type /invite RRSAgent #htmlt) [08:17] <plh_> we seem to have network issues today :( [08:18] <plh_> if you send my the irc log, I can generate the minutes after [08:18] <krisk> No biggie for this meeting maybe other meetings it will be a blocker [08:18] <plh_> s/my/me/ [08:18] <krisk> I'll just copy the IRC and post it to the list as 'notes' [08:18] <plh_> we used a text editor in my previous meeting :) [08:19] <krisk> Looks like chrome as a bug/doesn't match other browsers looking at bug#18712 [08:20] <krisk> http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/?saved=1621 [08:20] <plh_> again, that's a css test, not an html one [08:21] <krisk> Yep I'm done looking at these new bugs - all don't look like the apply to html [08:21] <plh_> the best we can do is redirect the individual to the css wg [08:22] <krisk> Yes I will resolve these bugs 18682, 18694, 18695, 18696, 18697, 18698, 18699, 18705, 18712 offline [08:23] <krisk> stating these are not valid HTML tests, though they do show interop bugs in some browsers [08:23] <krisk> ...and point them to the CSS WG [08:23] <krisk> ..or they can just notify the browser that doesn't match others to fix their bug [08:23] <gsnedders> jgraham: Undefined per CSS 2.1 [08:25] <krisk> Other ways exists to create a simalar rendering that works in all browsers... [08:27] <krisk> One other bug comment, before we move on... [08:27] <krisk> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=17891 [08:28] <krisk> Boris Zbarsky responded back that he was going to revert the development version of firefox to the shipping behavior for now. [08:29] <krisk> He also commented that it doesn't seem to be a wise choice to start throwing (site compat) [08:30] <krisk> Agenda Item #2 New Test Submissions [08:31] <krisk> We'll have to wait to look at more of ms2ger's canvas changes, maybe next time he can attend [08:31] <krisk> Pengcheng Guo <guopengcheng@baidu.com> is a new participant and submitted some contentEditable and designMode tests [08:32] <krisk> See http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html/shortlog [08:32] <plh_> yes, and Aryeh approved them already [08:32] <plh_> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-testsuite/2012Aug/0009.html [08:33] <krisk> I'm not sure they are all correct [08:33] <krisk> http://www.w3c-test.org/html/tests/submission/Baidu/editing/user-interaction-editing-spellcheck.html [08:34] <krisk> See the last test case [08:36] <krisk> Opera, IE, FF, Chrome all return true and not false [08:36] <plh_> ah, they didn't link to that one in their email to the list [08:37] <plh_> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-testsuite/2012Aug/0006.html [08:37] <plh_> http://w3c-test.org/html/tests/submission/Baidu/editing/user-interaction-editing-designMode.html [08:37] <plh_> http://w3c-test.org/html/tests/submission/Baidu/editing/user-interaction-editing-contenteditable.html [08:37] == RRSAgent [rrs-loggee@128.30.52.169] has joined #htmlt [08:37] <plh_> are the two cases they referenced [08:38] <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/08/28-htmlt-irc [08:38] <krisk> http://www.w3c-test.org/html/tests/submission/Baidu/editing/user-interaction-editing-designMode.html [08:38] <krisk> This one is intresting... [08:39] <krisk> IE added design mode long, long ago in the 90s [08:41] <plh_> that test works fine on opera, ff, and chrome at least [08:41] <krisk> You can set the attribute though I don't think they actually enable 'designMode' [08:41] <plh_> http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/editing.html#making-entire-documents-editable:-the-designmode-idl-attribute [08:43] <plh_> the spec doesn't say much on the effect of the attribute in section 7.5.3, besides setting [08:43] <plh_> so the test is correct from what I can tell [08:43] <plh_> could be improved to test document.designMode = "ON" [08:45] <krisk> yes setting the attribute looks correct per the spec [08:48] <krisk> same with http://www.w3c-test.org/html/tests/submission/Baidu/editing/user-interaction-editing-contenteditable.html [08:50] <krisk> Looks like ms2ger was didn't fix the canvas test harness bug he introduced [08:50] <krisk> http://www.w3c-test.org/html/tests/submission/PhilipTaylor/canvas/2d.gradient.object.invalidcolour.html [08:50] <krisk> still seems to timeout [08:53] <plh_> oh, missing done() I guess [08:54] <krisk> I updated the approvedtest.txt file and move the Opera document.write tests last week [08:54] <krisk> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html/rev/7e1f02b0487c [09:00] <krisk> Any other agend items or shall we adjourn? [09:02] <krisk> OK let's adjourn -----Original Message----- From: Kris Krueger [mailto:krisk@microsoft.com] Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 3:14 PM To: 'public-html-testsuite@w3.org' Subject: HTML Testing Task Force Conf Call Agenda 8/28/2012 Agenda #1 Check for any bugs on approved tests #2 New Test Submissions (continue reviewing ms2ger canvas test updates) If you have other items you would like, please email me directly. -Thanks! IRC #HTMLT Time 17:00-18:00 UTC (11:00am-12:00pm Boston local) Zakim Bridge +1.617.761.6200, conference 48658
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