- From: Philippe Le Hégaret <plh@w3.org>
- Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 16:25:41 -0400
- To: "public-html-media@w3.org" <public-html-media@w3.org>
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https://www.w3.org/2016/09/13-html-media-minutes.html
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HTML Media Task Force Teleconference
13 Sep 2016
[2]Agenda
[2]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2016Sep/0059.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2016/09/13-html-media-irc
Attendees
Present
paulc, Kaz, ddorwin, markw, MattWolenetzx, jdsmith, plh
Regrets
Philippe, Mark_Vickers, Francois
Chair
paulc
Scribe
paulc
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]HME WG F2F meeting, Lisbon, Mon-Tue Sep 19-20
2. [6]MSE Editorial issues, MSE Editors
3. [7]MSE Registry publication as WG notes, Philippe
4. [8]CfC for MSE Proposed Recommendation closes Fri Sep
16
5. [9]MSE test suite and results
6. [10]EME Editorial issues, EME Editors
7. [11]EME NonBlocking issues, EME Editors
8. [12]Other EME issues
9. [13]EME at risk features
* [14]Summary of Action Items
* [15]Summary of Resolutions
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HME WG F2F meeting, Lisbon, Mon-Tue Sep 19-20
[16]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2016
Sep/0043.html
[16]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2016Sep/0043.html
Suggestion is to hold a joint Web & TV IG and HME WG meeting to
discuss future use cases on Monday morning.
So attendees should find the Web & TV IG meeting space for that
joint meeting
paulc: does the Web & TV IG have used cases?
Kaz: The Web & TV IG's task force may have use cases
... I want to talk to Mark Vickers about older use cases from
Sapporo TPAC
paulc: I believe the WAVE community plans to submit new use
cases ASAP
... This will be "unconference like" session with the agenda
determined at the start of the joint meeting
paulc will coordinate with Web & TV IG chairs on this session
Matt: Please ensure there are good notes for non-attendees
Paulc: Will do
MSE Editorial issues, MSE Editors
[17]https://github.com/w3c/media-source/milestones/V1Editorial
[17] https://github.com/w3c/media-source/milestones/V1Editorial
[18]https://github.com/w3c/media-source/issues/159 will be
triaged at V1Editorial and will be done as before we transition
to PR
[18] https://github.com/w3c/media-source/issues/159
Jerry will prepare a pull request and Matt will review so we
have this change ready.
[19]https://github.com/w3c/media-source/issues/157 is also
untriaged
[19] https://github.com/w3c/media-source/issues/157
ISSUE-157 is marked as V1NonBlocking
<scribe> Chair: How do we handle this?
Matt: If the registry can be updated separate from MSE then I
can do a pull request for this.
<scribe> Chair: Matt should coordinate with Philippe since the
MSE Registry work is still pending
Jerry: I have information now and will respond today
Matt: I will assign 157 to Jerry and will close with no action
my PR 158
MSE Registry publication as WG notes, Philippe
This is still pending and plh told me he would guarantee that
it does not hold up MSE's transition
See [20]https://github.com/w3c/media-source/issues/74
[20] https://github.com/w3c/media-source/issues/74
CfC for MSE Proposed Recommendation closes Fri Sep 16
There has been support but no dissent yet.
[21]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2016
Sep/0053.html
[21]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2016Sep/0053.html
Due to the AC meeting next week and the publication moratorium
I am expecting the PR transition to occur either in Lisbon or
after the TPAC week. Publication of the PR to the AC would
likely occur in late Sep or early Oct.
FTR the usual PR review period for the AC is 6 weeks
MSE test suite and results
plh tells me the WebIDL new results are integrated as are
recent Firefox results
<scribe> Chair: Any outstanding test results?
Matt: Do we need more text track testing?
<scribe> Chair: Can you send an email about text track testing
to indicate what tests exist and which part of the spec is not
tested.
Matt: I will start a new thread on the public-html-media email
list
see Text tracks:
[22]https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/issues/3673
[22] https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/issues/3673
MAtt: There are some WebIDL differences but these are outside
of MSE and are more general problems
David: There are diffences on how Blink handles some semantic
tests that actually test the webidl generator
MAtt: The implementation report is slightly out of date. Matt
will identify the work that still needs to be added.
EME Editorial issues, EME Editors
ISsue-317 and 320 were outstanding as of yesterday
David: there is PR for 320 that needs to be reviewed
... issue-317 needs to be cleaned up
... issue-183 - we need to discuss his with Philippe
<scribe> Chair: plh told me yesterday that 183 is certainlly
not going to blocked EME
<scribe> Chair: We need to simply decide if any changes to the
registry SOTD are required.
EME NonBlocking issues, EME Editors
Issue-242 has a PR that needs to be reviewed
David: I opend Issue-312 in response to one of the objection
threads but no one has responded.
... We are done the Editorial and Nonblocking items once the
PRs are handled.
Other EME issues
ISSUE-85: [23]https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/85
[23] https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/85
<trackbot> Notes added to ISSUE-85 .
<scribe> Chair: The last time we touched on ISSUE-85 we said we
were waiting for interop testing
EME at risk features
David: persistent usage record - pending testing results
... is the current status that Edge is the only browser that
can pass?
Mark: This is the same for many tests so we have a general
discussion item here
... ... mentioned use of various polyfills for some of these
tests
... keystatus is not working the same on more than one browser
... We need to agree on how to handle features that only pass
on only one browser
David: If we have features that don't pass testing then we
either have to wait for changing implementations or take the
features out and repeat CR
<scribe> Chair: Didn't we agree to have this discussion AFTER
we completed the conversion of the Google tests?
Mark: Yes
... There are quite a few of things that are not passing and
this could either be bad tests, bugs in implementations, etc.
... There will likely be some features that don't have two
implementations
David: Have we reorganized the test suite so that the tests
don't distinguish on key system?
Mark: I will check into whether the most recent results are
merged
David: Chrome55 has better WebIDL results
... if you want to get those results
Jerry: Which version of Chrome should be test with?
David: Canary
rrsagent
<scribe> Chair: We need to follow up on the previous actions
and update the test results
Jerry: We need to evaluate the results eventually
Mark: We need to merge the persistent license tests results in
merger
... This depends DRMToday bug fix
Jerry: We are still waiting for the test cases to be converted
Jerry's status report:
[24]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-hme-editors/201
6Sep/0014.html
[24]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-hme-editors/2016Sep/0014.html
The above link indicates what tests are being done by Netflix
and we are stll waiting for a volunteer for the 14 outstanding
tests
Mark: I will report tomorrow on the current work being done by
Netflix
Mark and Paul: Maybe we will have an EME test hacking session
at TPAC
David: I understand Jerry's desire to minimize his work
Jerry: I will do an update with Mark's change to not
distinguish on key system
<scribe> Chair: Paul provided an oral summary for late arriving
plh
plh: We need to review the Netflix tests
... I know how long we need to finish MSE but it is NOT clear
how to handle our charter for EME
... We need to know our timeline for EME before the end of TPAC
... We run a risk of not getting EME done if we don't have a
clearer plan for EME testing
... We need someone to step up for reviewing the Netflix
migration tests
Jerry: MSFT will review Netflix converted tests but we don't
have the resources to do the conversion themselves
plh: we need to have the timeline at TPAC
... And if mark is right that we don't have all features
implemented then the problem is bigger - the timetable is very
fuzzy
... It is NOT clear how the Director would react to a request
for 6 month extension to charter to get better test results
... I am not picking on today's attendees that are doing the
work. We need other to step up to do the testing work.
Matt: Will the uncertainty for EME impact MSE?
plh: No. It appears that we can get a MSE recommendation by the
end of October.
... We need to also discuss how to do any future work on MSE.
... We need to figure out how the uncertainty of EME does not
impact MSE.
... The policitical pressure on EME is increasing. Remember
that I warned that we needed to get done by the end of Sept.
Mark: Do you ahve comment on where EME V2 would be done?
plh: That topic needs to wait until we have a clearer story on
EME V1
Mark: Maybe the story for V2 will influence people's views on
how to handle lack of interop on EME V1
<scribe> Chair: IS there anyone on the call that can help with
converting the outstanding 14 Google tests?
Mark: Netflix will help but we need time to get thru them all
<scribe> Chair: What is the latest date you can use to collect
data for a charter extension?
plh: Sep 27
... If the Director does not give a charter extension he might
tell the WG to publish EME as a WG Note
paulc: If EME was published as a WG Note could it be published
with a license that would permit others to use the content?
plh: That could be considered.
... Patent commitments only apply to Recommendations and
therefore any patent obligations on EME would be released
David: We may need to engage Firefox on the Key Status tests,
especially for Clear Key since Edge does not support Key Status
... The Keystatus tests were working on Chrome
<scribe> Chair: We need to have a clear list of work tiems for
EME testing
plh: It is possible to add people to the owner file for just
EME. Just let plh know. You will get pinged by GitHub when
there is a new PR.
... You may need to manually tell Github that you want futher
updates on the PR
David: You will be added as a reviewer to new PRs if you are in
the owners file.
Jerry: I will publish the updated results today
David: Then I will start a thread with the Editors the gap list
for implementations based on a shorter less than two list.
Mark: I will give the conversion of tests updates as well
Summary of Action Items
Summary of Resolutions
[End of minutes]
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