- From: Adrian Bateman <adrianba@microsoft.com>
- Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 15:50:25 +0000
- To: Paul Cotton <Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com>, "public-html-media@w3.org" <public-html-media@w3.org>
Minutes -> http://www.w3.org/2012/07/24-html-media-minutes.html
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HTML Media Task Force Teleconference
24 Jul 2012
See also: IRC log
Attendees
Present
markw, suzie, pladd, +1.415.832.aaaa, paulc, adrianba, duncanr, KevinStreeter, ddorwin, acolwell, glenn, Clarke
Regrets
Chair
Paul Cotton
Scribe
Adrian Bateman
Contents
Topics
1.Roll call, introductions and selection of scribe
2.Previous meeting minutes
3.Review of action items
4.Baseline documents and Bugzilla information
5.EME object-oriented API
6.EME Key Release
7.New encrypted media extension bugs
8.Existing EME bugs
9.Other Business
10.Schedule for future meetings
11.Adjournment
Summary of Action Items
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Roll call, introductions and selection of scribe
paulc: Done
Previous meeting minutes
http://www.w3.org/2012/07/10-html-media-minutes.html
paulc: No comments
Review of action items
paulc: One action item to implement proposal 2b
ACTION-1?
<trackbot> ACTION-1 -- David Dorwin to and editors to implement proposal 2b by revising EME specification -- due 2012-07-17 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/actions/1
paulc: status report?
ddorwin: didn't get through all the changes necessary - made progress but not finished
paulc: we'll look at the due date later in the agenda
Baseline documents and Bugzilla information
http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-media/raw-file/tip/encrypted-media/encrypted-media.html
http://tinyurl.com/7tfambo
ddorwin: editor's draft is updated - minor bugs updated and removed issue list since these are now in bugs
paulc: how do i see old versions?
ddorwin: list at the bottom of the document
http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-media/
ddorwin: This shows the files and the revisions
EME object-oriented API
paulc: two main bugs 16612 and 16613
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=16612
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=16613
paulc: in the last meeting we decided to adopt proposal 2b
... is the short story that you're not done and that you need more time?
ddorwin: yes - it's a major effort to update everything because this affects all the algorithms
... so what I'm proposing is to start making the changes and include a link in the top of the spec to the last stable version
paulc: can you do this in stages?
ddorwin: doing it in stages is one option to allow discussions to continue
... i don't think i'll be able to do all before the next meeting
... but we could include the API changes so that we can discuss those specifically
paulc: when will you be away?
ddorwin: next week and through the meeting the following week but i'll try to dial-in
paulc: so you're trying to do some this week?
ddorwin: correct
paulc: what can you get done this week?
ddorwin: updating section 2 and 2.1 and 3
... section 4 would be commented out pending the next discussion
... section 5 probably not done and some of the examples
paulc: there are three editors on the spec - are you doing most of the lifting here?
ddorwin: yes
paulc: is there a chance you and the other editors can work out a plan this week so they can continue while you are gone?
... sorry to out this out loud but this seems like the obvious question
markw: normally i'd be happy with that but i'm also out
paulc: i guess this is taking longer than originally thought
... we can do some work this week but that might not give us a document that will allow us to make progress
... the meeting after the next one i will be away
... i don't want to wait 6 weeks
... should we cancel the aug 7 meeting and keep the aug 24
ddorwin: i think that's fine
adrianba: i agree
paulc: so the strawman is to move the action to be aug 17?
... does that make senses?
ddorwin: yes
ACTION-1 due aug 17
<trackbot> ACTION-1 And editors to implement proposal 2b by revising EME specification due date now aug 17
paulc: this will give people one week to look at the spec so we can pick up from there
... would be good for the editors to enumerate the changes on the list and ask for feedback
... and if there are parts that weren't changed then not that
... don't block on parts that you aren't sure how to change and be transparent on the list about where people should focus their efforts
... is there a reason to look at agenda 5b on key release?
ddorwin: i think it's fine to continue to discuss this - it's not totally dependent on the O-O change
<paulc> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2012Jul/0070.html
EME Key Release
ddorwin: key release is section 4 in the original proposal
... and i was trying to get more discussion on what it should look like
... object oriented seemed to solve most of that
... there seemed to be some issues related to browser use that make this difficult
... and i wanted to start a discussion on this
... since it is independent of the API
markw: i think david is quite right in his mail
<paulc> Mark's response: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2012Jul/0071.html
<mark> we need a synchronous method to fetch key release messages which could be used in onclose methods
paulc: do we just need more people to comment?
ddorwin: yes, especially on the sync API and whether that's a good idea and how it would work
New encrypted media extension bugs
<mark> but generally, these cases are handled by the CDM keeping the key release messages until it gets the ack from the server, even if this means keeping them hours or days
paulc: thought it might be useful to discuss the most recent bug
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=17750
paulc: there hasn't been much progress on bugs
... but i guess people are waiting for the principle bugs related to O-O
... is it worth looking at this
ddorwin: this is a bug that escaped being filed previously
... i added the bug as i removed it from the issues list in the spec
Existing EME bugs
paulc: which of these 5 bugs would it be useful to have some discussion on today?
... it may be that these just need to be held in our queue
ddorwin: i think 17673 and 17682 might be interesting
paul: lets start with https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=17673
Define Initialization Data for implementations that choose to support the ISO Base Media File Format
<paulc> "Define Intialization Data"
paulc: is there a proposed solution
ddorwin: background - we need a common expectation of what initdata is for the different file formats
... ISO and CENC is probably the most interesting since it is the most complex
... there are options about which data to send
... looking for people with more experience with ISO
paulc: you're looking for someone to take ownership?
ddorwin: yes, adrian or mark should do that
markw: i'm happy to take this one
... i think the initdata will contain all the information (first option)
... unless the key system is already selected in which case UA could filter them down
paulc: can i give you an action item to propose a resolution by aug 17?
markw: i'll try to do it before i leave
<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - markw
<scribe> ACTION: mark to propose a resolution to bug 17673 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/07/24-html-media-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2 - Propose a resolution to bug 17673 [on Mark Watson - due 2012-07-31].
paulc: next https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=17682
Clear Key: Document how keys and key IDs are associated
ddorwin: this relates to addkey with initdata which assumed that initdata was the key id but this doesn't work for ISO CENC
... we need to figure out how we want to support ClearKey
... for non-ClearKey there is a license format
... we need to figure out if we concatenate things or set size limits
... or maybe define ClearKey in a different way
... so looking for feedback on how to proceed
<scribe> ACTION: adrianba to propose resolution to bug 17682 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/07/24-html-media-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-3 - Propose resolution to bug 17682 [on Adrian Bateman - due 2012-07-31].
paulc: are there any other items in this agenda item people want to discuss
ddorwin: item b is the same as c but for WebM and I'll own that one
<scribe> ACTION: ddorwin to propose a solution for bug 17672 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/07/24-html-media-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-4 - Propose a solution for bug 17672 [on David Dorwin - due 2012-07-31].
ACTION-2 due aug 17
<trackbot> ACTION-2 Propose a resolution to bug 17673 due date now aug 17
ACTION-3 due aug 17
<trackbot> ACTION-3 Propose resolution to bug 17682 due date now aug 17
ACTION-4 due aug 17
<trackbot> ACTION-4 Propose a solution for bug 17672 due date now aug 17
paulc: if we look back at item a (17658) which we discussed in the last meeting
... this item hasn't received much additional discussion
... propose to carry this forward in the agenda
http://www.w3.org/2012/07/10-html-media-minutes.html#action02
paulc: moving along - there is lots of work for the editors
Other Business
paulc: any other business?
Schedule for future meetings
paulc: we will cancel the Aug 7 meeting
... i will keep up the biweekly schedule
... i'm unavailable for aug 21 - i will work with the editors and co-chairs and maybe the Team to find someone to stand in for me in that meeting
Adjournment
paulc: adjourn early today - have a bunch of actions
... we should realise that in July/Aug some things slow down due to vacations
... thanks to david for all the help on the call today
... we're adjourned
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: adrianba to propose resolution to bug 17682 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/07/24-html-media-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: ddorwin to propose a solution for bug 17672 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/07/24-html-media-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: mark to propose a resolution to bug 17673 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/07/24-html-media-minutes.html#action01]
[End of minutes]
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From: Paul Cotton [mailto:Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com]
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2012 11:47 AM
To: public-html-media@w3.org
Subject: {agenda} HTML WG media telecon 2012-07-24 - EME object-oriented design implementation, new and existing EME bugs
The HTML WG media teleconference meeting will occur on 2012-07-24 for up to 60 minutes from 15:00Z to 16:00Z.
http://timeanddate.com/s/296f
Tokyo midnight, Amsterdam/Oslo 17:00, London/Dublin 16:00, New Jersey/York 11:00, Kansas City 10:00, Seattle/San Francisco 08:00.
Chair of the meeting: Paul Cotton
Scribe: TBD
(See the end of this email for dial-in and IRC info.)
== Agenda ==
1. Roll call, introductions and selection of scribe
2. Previous meeting minutes
http://www.w3.org/2012/07/10-html-media-minutes.html
3. Review of action items
https://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/
ACTION-1: David Dorwin and editors to implement proposal 2b by revising EME specification
https://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/actions/1
4. Baseline documents and Bugzilla information
a) Encrypted Media Extensions editor's draft:
http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-media/raw-file/tip/encrypted-media/encrypted-media.html
b) Encrypted Media bugs:
http://tinyurl.com/7tfambo
5. EME object-oriented API
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=16612
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=16613
a) [EME] Object-oriented API design proposal #2 (using a MediaKeySession constructor) http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2012Jun/0143.html
ACTION-1: David Dorwin and editors to implement proposal 2b by revising EME specification
https://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/actions/1
b) Re: [EME] Key Release
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2012Jul/0070.html
6. New encrypted media extension bugs
a) [Bug 17750] New: Define the behavior of the media element when a session is canceled
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=17750
7. Existing encrypted media extension bugs
a) [Bug 17658] New: need procedure for selection of Key System
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=17658
ACTION: continue bugzilla and email discussion of 17658 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/07/10-html-media-minutes.html#action02]
b) [Bug 17672] New: Define Initialization Data for implementations that choose to support the WebM Container
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=17672
c) [Bug 17673] New: Define Initialization Data for implementations that choose to support the ISO Base Media File Format
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=17673
d) [Bug 17676] New: needkey for all keys relative with a media file
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=17676
e) [Bug 17682] New: Clear Key: Document how keys and key IDs are associated
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=17682
f) Other bugs
http://tinyurl.com/7tfambo
8. Other Business
9. Chair and Scribe for next meeting on Aug 7
a) Paul is unavailable to chair on Tue Aug 21
10. Adjournment
== Dial-in and IRC Details ==
Zakim teleconference bridge:
+1.617.761.6200, conference 63342 ("media")
https://www.w3.org/Guide/1998/08/teleconference-calendar#s_5366
Supplementary IRC chat (logged):
#html-media on irc.w3.org port 6665 or port 80
Paul Cotton, Microsoft Canada
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Paul Cotton, Microsoft Canada
17 Eleanor Drive, Ottawa, Ontario K2E 6A3
Tel: (425) 705-9596 Fax: (425) 936-7329
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