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https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=18744 --- Comment #7 from John Foliot <john@foliot.ca> 2012-09-07 16:13:48 UTC --- I remain completely opposed to this proposal. My reasons are: > This allows Assistive Technologies to access the content structure... A foot switch, a one-handed keyboard, a mouth stick and software such as Dragon/Nuance's Naturally Speaking are all Assistive Technologies. How will the hidden content be exposed to the users of these technologies? The vague and undefined term "Assistive Technologies" as used here is inappropriate: if you mean screen readers, then say screen readers, otherwise this proposed technique must in fact "work" for all Assistive Technologies, such as those referenced above. > User Agents are encouraged to expose the full semantics of hidden="" elements AS I have continued to point out (and logged a Formal Objection around), there are certain "full semantics" that are extremely problematic with this current text, mostly centered around the <a> element. Scenario: Susan is a low-vision user who uses ZoomText (an Assistive Technology that is both screen magnifier and ARIA-aware screen reader). She encounters a web page that has the following code: <div hidden> <ul> <li><a href="">Link 1</a></li> <li><a href="">Link 2</a></li> <li><a href="">Link 3</a></li> <li><a href="">Link 4</a></li> </ul> </div> To "expose the full semantics" is to present to Susan an unordered list of 4 hyper-links. Because ZoomText is ARIA-aware, the screen reading part of the tool will announce those 4 links - however, what shall the "Zoom" part zoom to? As well, we have a WCAG requirement (2.4.7 Focus Visible http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/REC-WCAG20-20081211/#navigation-mechanisms-focus-visible) that specifically mandates "...that there is at least one mode of operation where the keyboard focus indicator can be visually located." To meet this requirement then, those links cannot "...remaining hidden in all presentations of the normal document flow" - they MUST be visually locatable or this technique is in direct and Willful Violation of WCAG. If this Working Group wishes to propose a sub-set of semantic structures and markup that could be exposed to screen readers yet remain hidden in the "...normal document flow" (what is normal anyway?), then that might be worth investigating (for example, allowing <span lang="FR"> on hidden content might be very useful), however as currently presented I will remain opposed to this technique, and will leave my existing Formal Objection in place. -- Configure bugmail: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the QA contact for the bug.
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