Re: HTML WG Note publication of sourcing in-band media resources

On May 15, 2014, at 3:54 PM, Bob Lund <B.Lund@cablelabs.com> wrote:

> 
> 
> On 5/13/14, 1:10 PM, "Paul Cotton" <Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com> wrote:
> 
>> The Chairs have discussed this matter and have a counter proposal on how
>> to publish this material.
>> 
>> We believe you want to publish your document [1] along the same lines as
>> the "Media Source Extensions Byte Stream Format Registry" was published
>> and referenced from the MSE specification.
>> 
>> MSE CR refers to the document as an Informative Reference.  See [2] and
>> below:
>> 
>> A.2 Informative references
>> [REGISTRY] Aaron Colwell Media Source Extensions Byte Stream Format
>> Registry. 02 December 2013 URL:
>> http://www.w3.org/2013/12/byte-stream-format-registry/
>> 
>> It is very important to get agreement that the material in your proposed
>> document is in fact "Informative" if we are to follow this example.
>> Please confirm.
>> 
>> If you agree with this approach then we would need to:
>> 
>> a) Publish your document in W3C space along the lines of how we published
>> "Media Source Extensions Byte Stream Format Registry",
>> b) Add an informative reference to HTML 5.0 (and HTML 5.1) to the new
>> document.
>> 
>> In addition bug 25133 Comment 2 [3] seems to imply there is material in
>> HTML that should be changed/moved to this new document.  Before we
>> proceed the HTML WG should be explicitly informed of exactly what changes
>> are being proposed.
>> 
>> A good way to carry out the above steps would be to open a HTML5.0 bug
>> that describes the exact proposed changes and to put it before the HTML
>> WG.
> 
> 25733 (https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=25733) has been
> opened. I added a comment referencing 25733 to bugs 25005, 25132, 25133,
> 24986 and 24997. Let me know if there is anything else I need to do.

I’ve reopened 25733 and assigned it to me, pending discussion with the Director.

I’ve also marked bug 25581 as being dependent on bug 25733.

> Bob

- Sam Ruby

>> 
>> Please let us know if this proposal meets your original objectives.
>> 
>> /paulc
>> HTML WG co-chair
>> 
>> [1] 
>> http://rawgit.com/silviapfeiffer/HTMLSourcingInbandTracks/master/index.htm
>> l 
>> [2] http://www.w3.org/TR/media-source/#references
>> [3] https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=25133#c2
>> 
>> Paul Cotton, Microsoft Canada
>> 17 Eleanor Drive, Ottawa, Ontario K2E 6A3
>> Tel: (425) 705-9596 Fax: (425) 936-7329
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bob Lund [mailto:B.Lund@CableLabs.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 10:59 AM
>> To: Paul Cotton; Silvia Pfeiffer (silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com)
>> Cc: public-html-admin@w3.org
>> Subject: Re: HTML WG Note publication of sourcing in-band media resources
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 5/13/14, 8:44 AM, "Paul Cotton" <Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I have a couple of questions about this request:
>>> 
>>> 1. License
>>> 
>>>> This document is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 3.0
>>>> License.
>>> 
>>> Are you willing to publish this under the W3C Document license and the
>>> CC-BY license as per:
>>> http://www.w3.org/blog/2013/09/a-dual-license-for-the-html-working-grou
>>> p/
>> 
>> Yes
>> 
>>> 
>>> 2. HTML WG Note
>>> 
>>> Notes are not usually updated.
>>> http://www.w3.org/2005/10/Process-20051014/tr.html#tr-end
>>> 
>>> If you expect to make any changes to this specification should we not
>>> publish it as a Working Draft first?  For example if we received
>>> feedback on the specification it would be easier to accept that feedback
>>> on a
>>> Working Draft.   Going directly to a WG Note is actually a rare plan.
>> 
>> We wil request a FPWD first.
>> 
>>> 
>>> 3. Relationship to HTML 5.0 and 5.1
>>> 
>>> I understand from reading one of referenced bugs that material included
>>> in this specification would be removed from the HTML specification. Am
>>> I correct that this material would only be removed from HTML 5.1?  If
>>> so then the Normative Reference should probably be changed from the
>>> HTML 5.0 CR to HTML 5.1.
>> 
>> The document provides clarification of normative language in HTML 5.0
>> that aids interoperability so making the change in 5.0 would be better,
>> assuming we can get to Note status in a timely manner.
>> 
>>> 
>>> /paulc
>>> HTML WG co-chair
>>> 
>>> Paul Cotton, Microsoft Canada
>>> 17 Eleanor Drive, Ottawa, Ontario K2E 6A3
>>> Tel: (425) 705-9596 Fax: (425) 936-7329
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Bob Lund [mailto:B.Lund@CableLabs.com]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 10:31 AM
>>> To: public-html-admin@w3.org
>>> Subject: HTML WG Note publication of sourcing in-band media resources
>>> 
>>> Dear all,
>>> 
>>> I would like to submit the "Sourcing In-band Media Resource Tracks from
>>> Media Containers into HTML" specification for publication as an HTML WG
>>> Note from the latest editors' draft here:
>>> 
>>> http://rawgit.com/silviapfeiffer/HTMLSourcingInbandTracks/master/index.
>>> htm
>>> l
>>> .
>>> 
>>> The technical discussion for creating such a note can be found here:
>>> 
>>> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=25133
>>> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=25133#c7
>>> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=25133#c8
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Bob Lund