Minutes: HTML A11Y Task Force 22 October 2015

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- DRAFT -HTML A11Y Task Force22 Oct 2015

See also: IRC log <http://www.w3.org/2015/10/22-html-a11y-irc>
Attendees
PresentJudy, plh, Alex, John, Charles, Cynthia, Janina, Leonie, Joanmarie,
LJWatson, JF, ShaneMRegretsChairCharlesScribeShaneM
Contents

   - Topics <http://www.w3.org/2015/10/22-html-a11y-minutes.html#agenda>
      1. More for the agenda?
      <http://www.w3.org/2015/10/22-html-a11y-minutes.html#item01>
      2. accesskey
      <http://www.w3.org/2015/10/22-html-a11y-minutes.html#item02>
      3. meeting at tpac
      <http://www.w3.org/2015/10/22-html-a11y-minutes.html#item03>
      4. workplan - what do we have to work on?
      <http://www.w3.org/2015/10/22-html-a11y-minutes.html#item04>
      5. MediaController
      <http://www.w3.org/2015/10/22-html-a11y-minutes.html#item05>
   - Summary of Action Items
   <http://www.w3.org/2015/10/22-html-a11y-minutes.html#ActionSummary>

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<chaals> dial-in
<https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m698e501ae0e49419de5fe033e83179be>

<scribe> scribenick: ShaneM
More for the agenda?

Nothing more for the agenda.
accesskey

<chaals> draft accesskey spec
<http://chaals.github.io/accesskey/index.src.html>

clarified some of the motivation. There are some things that we need to
work through.

It can be looked at now. Comment on it if you think there are things that
need to be changed or are missing.

plh: The proposal doesn't really cover what is wrong with the current
accesskey

chaals: yes - I need to gather that up and incorporate it. THere are bugs
against the current accesskey that might give you some hints.

JF: I maintain that it is horribly broken. Conflict resolution,
discoverability, internationalization.

plh: And I don't disagree. I just wanted it to be incorporated into the
proposal.
... we expect people to read a proposal and have it be freestanding.

<chaals> issue based on PLH's comment
<https://github.com/chaals/accesskey/issues/4>

Judy: Same comment. Also we should be sure to include a rationale for why
we are promoting this particular approach, since there is less consensus on
the approach than the simple point of current access key being broken..
... there is a lot of agreement among a11y experts that accesskey is
broken. Not a lot of agreement on how to fix it.
... there might be some movement behind the scenes on this.
... lets be sure to justify the proposal based upon all the previous
discussions.
... doesn't preclude people raising questions. But Maybe it will help
eliminate some of the questions.

chaals: note that this is a pre-proposal. It has not been taken up yet.
meeting at tpac

We are scheduled at 4pm on Friday.

will develop the future plan and work plan. hope to coordinate with those
we do not normally see.

scribe: might not reach formal resolution on the work items though.

plh: do we know where we are meeting?

chaals: we will take a part of the PF meeting.
workplan - what do we have to work on?

chaals: it has been about 6 months since we looked at the list.
... what things are important and who is prepared to actually work on them?

<JF> +1 to @transcript

chaals: on my personal list is transcript, accesskey, and datepickers

Judy: question on datepickers... It is on the tutorial wishlist. What
features are missing?

chaals: well, it seems to not be implemented anywhere successfully yet.

Judy: but that's not a feature problem.

<LJWatson> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Datepickers

chaals: well... it isn't clear that we even know how to do this (in an
accessible way)

LJWatson: that link was the original work that had been done on datepickers

JF: what about work on panels? Is that still an open action item?

chaals: that is just general HTML work. and it is still an open action item

<Zakim> JF, you wanted to ask about Panels status

<chaals> SM: CAPTCHA is a hot-button of Janina's

Judy: It is in APA. It will be coordinated closely with WCAG.
MediaController

chaals: I sent something saying that this is not an A11Y issue
particularly. The stuff that it does is syntactic sugar.
... there are people who have demonstrated other use cases, but the main
use case seems to be artistic
... blink has removed the code for media controller. Safari seems to have
it. We will see how it shakes out.

Judy: There are some others who have an interest in this space. If they
were to agree there was not an issue, that might make me more confortable.
... maybe we could get them on a call to explain the alternate approaches
and ensure they are on board.
... John, do you know either of them? (SCRIBE NOTE - I missed their names)

JF: I don't know them either.

Judy: They might be good people to know.

JF: I would be happy to talk with them. We can sort of do this now.
popcorn.js would allow us to do something very similar today.

LJWatson: It is an important distinction to make. It isn't unimportant, it
is just that there is a way to do it already.

chaals: It would be good to let them know that we want feedback.
... I think it would be good to get them on a call.

<Judy> JB: has been asking input from Christian Vogler, lead tech guy at
Gallaudet University, and Howard Rosenblum, CEO of (US) National
Association of the Deaf

Judy: I have asked them when they would have feedback, but they have not
really committed yet.

JF: Leonie made mention of the fact that there are ways of doing it now. If
so, let's get that well documented and put in a central location.
... maybe collect some of the proof of concept examples. Talk to EO about
it?

Judy: It could be if we agree that the examples are strong.

chaals: sounds like it might end up as a work item. Maybe an HTML change.
video / audio components of HTML could maybe do with a note about how to
synchronize with captions or signing.

<Judy> [JB: had requested that someone take an action item last time to
give a heads up to developers that input may be coming -- but can't access
those minutes now]

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