Re: clarification sought on publishing alt text document as a WG note

Thanks for digging into the details.  My memory also says that Janina had
trouble getting the edits made, and that somewhere in the middle the W3C
staff resource left the W3C so we needed to get another staff person
assigned.  Personally, I agree that this should have been published back in
June.  Anyone could have made those edits.  They were trivial.  Updating
the document in the future would have been, and continues to be, something
we can do at any time.  It is a note.

On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 10:09 AM, Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net> wrote:

> On 10/03/2014 10:19 AM, Steve Faulkner wrote:
>
>> For future reference and in attempting to better understand how the
>> process works, can I please get an explanation of how a document[3] that
>> it was agreed by consensus at the start of June 2014 by the HTML WG [1]
>> and the HTML accessibility taskforce [2] was not published. The work to
>> be done to publish this document as a note was/is mechanical and
>> trivial, yet in Oct 2014 it has still not been published, and it has now
>> appears to have been decided that the document's publication will not
>> occur until unknown, possibly substantive changes have been made.
>>
>> What exactly does the HTML WG CFC process mean if decisions made via
>> such process are delayed for months then set aside without recourse to
>> the group?
>>
>
> I'll answer the HTML WG part.
>
> The last status is that this is waiting on a PF CfC.  Checking the
> records, this status is inconsistent with claims that were made in 17 July
> to 24 July time frame.  I'll investigate, and expect that this will be
> discussed in the next WG telecon.
>
> Meanwhile relevant links and extracts to telecon minutes are included at
> the bottom of this email.
>
>  [1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/
>> 2014Jun/0055.html
>> [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/
>> 2014Jun/0019.html
>> [3] http://rawgit.com/w3c/alt-techniques/master/index.html
>> [4] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/
>> 2014Oct/0005.html
>> --
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> SteveF
>> HTML 5.1 <http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/>
>>
>
> - Sam Ruby
>
> *** http://www.w3.org/2014/09/25-html-wg-minutes.html#item03
>
> waiting on a decision from the Director on longdesc
> ... discussion on the alt document
> ... if the decision goes our way, we would rather publish a hearbeat but
> not a final one
> ... to do more editing on it
> ... so changes in the expected status
> ... we'll need the approval from PF on the heartbeat
>
> *** http://www.w3.org/2014/09/18-html-wg-minutes.html
>
> No mention.
>
> *** http://www.w3.org/2014/09/11-html-wg-minutes.html#item04
>
> ... Work continues on alt techniquest readiness for publication as a WG
> Note
> ... Finalization simply requires boilerplate work like date, copyright,
> "look and feel" as a WG Note
> ... edits will be done next by TF staff contact
>
> *** http://www.w3.org/2014/09/04-html-wg-minutes.html#item04
>
> http://www.w3.org/2014/08/07-html-a11y-minutes.html#item03
> paulc: we last week set a target of mid September to publish. We assume it
> will be taken up at the 11 Sep A11Y Task Force meeting.
>
> *** http://www.w3.org/2014/08/28-html-wg-minutes.html#item09
>
> Sam: we need a new target...
> Janina: mid-September? first priority is longdesc
>
> *** http://www.w3.org/2014/08/21-html-wg-minutes.html
>
> No meeting
>
> *** http://www.w3.org/2014/08/14-html-wg-minutes.html#item08
>
> http://www.w3.org/2014/08/07-html-a11y-minutes.html#item03
> Delayed in the A11Y TF with target for Aug 21
> Janina: Work on this is competing with longdesc CR work
>
> *** http://www.w3.org/2014/08/07-html-wg-minutes.html#item08
>
> Text alternatives WG Note
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2014Jul/0066.html
> <paulc_> See http://www.w3.org/2014/08/07-html-a11y-minutes.html#item03
> Discussed this recently at the A11Y task force call. Resource challenged
> but expect it to happen in two weeks (August 21).
>
> *** http://www.w3.org/2014/07/31-html-wg-minutes.html#item04
>
> ... also working on finalizing "text alternatives" WG Note do
> ... Janina and Steve will be talking today
> ... Paul will be dealing with Formal Objections on the previous "text
> alternatives" work
>
> *** http://www.w3.org/2014/07/24-html-wg-minutes.html#item04
>
> <paulc> Text alternatives WG Note
> http://www.w3.org/2014/07/17-html-a11y-minutes.html#item04
> Approved but needs a little update to the status section prior to
> publication.
>
> *** http://www.w3.org/2014/07/17-html-wg-minutes.html#item05
>
> janina: using Alt in HTML5 publication has been held up since the Status
> section is inappropriate for a WG Note. It represented itself as an Editors
> draft.
> ... The TF facilitators are going to fix this text before the publication.
> ... No new CfCs are required. Just fixing the STOD.
> ... techniques for providing text alternatives
> <paulc> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/
> 2014Jun/0055.html
>
> *** http://www.w3.org/2014/07/10-html-wg-minutes.html#item04
>
> Paul: not sure why this is not published yet
> ... we have two formal objections pending on this one
> ... once it gets published as a WG Note, I'm hoping we can get the FOs
> withdrawn
>
> *** http://www.w3.org/2014/07/03-html-wg-minutes.html
>
> No meeting.
>
> *** www.w3.org/2014/06/26-html-wg-minutes.html
>
> No mention.
>
> *** http://www.w3.org/2014/06/19-html-wg-minutes.html
>
> ... second decision was for publication of WG Note on techniques for
> providing useful text alternatives
> <paulc> See http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/
> 2014Jun/0055.html
> Paul: I supposed we should ask the editor and team to publish
>
>
>