- From: Mark Sadecki <mark@w3.org>
- Date: Thu, 29 May 2014 12:31:20 -0400
- To: HTML A11Y TF Public <public-html-a11y@w3.org>
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[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
29 May 2014
See also: [2]IRC log
[2] http://www.w3.org/2014/05/29-html-a11y-irc
Attendees
Present
janina, Adrian_Roselli, Mark_Sadecki, Cynthia_Shelly,
[IPcaller], JF, chaals, Judy, paulc, David_MacDonald,
IanPouncey1, leonie?
Regrets
Chair
Janina
Scribe
chaals
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]Identify Scribe
http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scr
ibe_List
2. [5]Longdesc
3. [6]Canvas 2D Status & Next Steps
4. [7]Alt Call for Consensus
5. [8]Media Subteam
6. [9]HTML 5.1 Next Steps
7. [10]Bug Triage
8. [11]mathML accessibility
* [12]Summary of Action Items
__________________________________________________________
<trackbot> Date: 29 May 2014
<janina> Meeting: HTML-A11Y Task Force Teleconference
Identify Scribe
[13]http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List
[13] http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List
<scribe> scribe: chaals
Longdesc
PaulC: So we will have a spec next week we hope, then CfC in
this group, then HTML, then director meeting.
Marks: Yep.
JF: Sent email in reply to comment on james craig's suggestion
to reject longdesc for mathml. Result of looking is that
neither of these solutions alone would work - so the comment
shouldn't be highlighted one way or another.
-> [14]http://www.w3.org/mid/036b01cf7789$3e3158c0$ba940a40$@ca
John's email
[14] http://www.w3.org/mid/036b01cf7789$3e3158c0$ba940a40$@ca
ACTION-195?
<trackbot> ACTION-195 -- John Foliot to Contact edu folks re:
mathml support and failure status in 2 weeks -- due 2013-09-19
-- CLOSED
<trackbot> [15]http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/195
[15] http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/195
JS: There is no support in mainstream browsers?
JF: There is in Safari and Firefox, but AT support isn't that
good either...
MS: We came up with a broader, more general statement that we
hope accommodates for current problems and points to solutions
that we hope will work in time.
PC: Is the comment about access support in MathML documented
somewhere?
CMN: It was discussed to a certain extent in the bug...
JB: My understanding is implementation support issues are
known, but not well-documented in ways that will help work
going forward.
... most problems I know of are specifically with regard to
browser support.
... I think there is an opportunity to document and follow up
on MathML accessibility and would love some thoughts about good
ways to do that.
<MarkS>
[16]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2013Ju
l/0046.html
[16] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2013Jul/0046.html
CS: I've looked into this too. JF, want to collaborate on this?
JF: I would be happy to do that, would be happy to make
introductions to people who work specifically on this.
... problem with MathML is two-fold - rendering in browsers
JF: There are people relying on Mathjax. Complex problem -
everyone sees MathML as the future but that it doesn't work
yet.
JS: There are standalone products with good accessible support,
and general consternation at blink dropping mathml support.
JB: Suggestion to make a wiki page is only good if it gets
plugged into the relevant places.
<scribe> ACTION: cyns to create a wiki page dealing with math
accessibility [recorded in
[17]http://www.w3.org/2014/05/29-html-a11y-minutes.html#action0
1]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-256 - Create a wiki page dealing with
math accessibility [on Cynthia Shelly - due 2014-06-05].
ACTION-256 due 2014-07-07
<trackbot> Set ACTION-256 Create a wiki page dealing with math
accessibility due date to 2014-07-07.
Canvas 2D Status & Next Steps
MS: we have support for drawfocus/hit regions in FF nightly.
... nothing new from Chrome but they are working with Samsung
to get hitregions done - they already support drawfocus.
... talking to HTML chairs about future of canvas subgroup.
PC: HTML chairs didn't meet this week. Will consider that
tomorrow when we meet face to face.
Alt Call for Consensus
JS: New call for consensus on guidance for text alternatives in
HTML.
... this is important and fairly complex, covering edits to 2
documents - standalone guidance document from Steve, plus
changes made to HTML5 spec.
<MarkS> [18]CfC on Alt guidance
[18] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2014May/0110.html
... also a recommendation in terms of next steps - proposed to
publish steve's document as a Note with no further development
planned.
PC: sent note to co-chairs preparing for meeting with TimBL
tomorrow. Think introducing a link to a page about text is only
in 5.1, not in 5.0. Has that been discussed or is it just a
pending edit?
MS: Later today I will have the results of comparing them. We
can talk with Robin.
PC: think the intent of the TF was to have the link in 5.0
JS: Indeed.
Media Subteam
MS: We met to provide feedback to WebTV IG on use cases.
... Web/TV reps present have taken the work back to their IG
JS: Owe them a use case that I haven't written up. Also got a
note inviting us to a call of theirs - at a date To Be
Determined
MS: Updated Media User Requirements Accessibility doc. should
be ready soon.
JS: Propose section 4.8 should be rewritten before next
heartbeat.
... the title is odd.
... Now we have a title "second screen" for what we want to
cover. But the section itself is also not that well
articulated.
... We should get a heartbeat draft out as soon as we can.
CMN: Please get the heartbeat out.
HTML 5.1 Next Steps
<MarkS> [19]HTML 5.1 Wishlist Wiki
[19] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/51wishlist
JS: We looked at interest areas, some of us took on areas we
wanted to achieve things.
... propose we try to put some deadlines on the activity.
... Start scheduling the topics on TF meeting agenda as
feasible.
... (this is really about HTML.next)
MS: During Bug Triage we hit some bugs that we may want to take
up - accesskey got added to the list.
... think it would be helpful to express an interest in hot
priority items.
... Items someone is interested in are not the same as items
that are generally considered important.
CMN: Regrets for all of June, but happy to present on Accesskey
after open web camp in the middle of july. won't be able to do
payments until augugst
MS: There are media subteam items trust those will be taken up
by media sub-team and JF, just not sure when since they have a
full plate right now.
JF: A lot of the research on transcript has been done, but it
got left on the table in the shift of process, and the ball got
dropped. SHould be quick to resolve.
JS: Plan-2014 authorises us to make extension specs for this if
we choose.
JF: Right. But we haven't done that so far.
... What's the date?
CMN: presenting something in this meeting - should have
started, may not be finished.
<scribe> ACTION: foliot present on transcript and media
descriptions [recorded in
[20]http://www.w3.org/2014/05/29-html-a11y-minutes.html#action0
2]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-257 - Present on transcript and media
descriptions [on John Foliot - due 2014-06-05].
ACTION-257 due 2014-08-01
<trackbot> Set ACTION-257 Present on transcript and media
descriptions due date to 2014-08-01.
JS: Let's do 3rd week in July for Date UI
<scribe> ACTION: janina present on date UI in TF meeting. Due
2014-07-20 [recorded in
[21]http://www.w3.org/2014/05/29-html-a11y-minutes.html#action0
3]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-258 - Present on date ui in tf
meeting. due 2014-07-20 [on Janina Sajka - due 2014-06-05].
<scribe> ACTION: chaals present accesskey in TF meeting.
[recorded in
[22]http://www.w3.org/2014/05/29-html-a11y-minutes.html#action0
4]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-259 - Present accesskey in tf
meeting. [on Charles McCathie Nevile - due 2014-06-05].
ACTION-259 due 2014-7-15
<trackbot> Set ACTION-259 Present accesskey in tf meeting. due
date to 2014-07-15.
MS: Lisa, Marku are interested but don't have dates expressed.
... also need to follow up Jeanne Spellman, Rich, Ian Puncey,
...
... referencing UAAG is Jeanne. Need to wait for UAAG to get
further along before we can do anything there.
... general media stuff was assigned to the sub-team.
<scribe> ACTION: chaals to present web payments in TF meeting
[recorded in
[23]http://www.w3.org/2014/05/29-html-a11y-minutes.html#action0
5]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-260 - Present web payments in tf
meeting [on Charles McCathie Nevile - due 2014-06-05].
ACTION-260 Due 2014-08-25
<trackbot> Set ACTION-260 Present web payments in tf meeting
due date to 2014-08-25.
MS: Footnotes and stuff is kind of complex. Talked to some
folks on it. Some time in July I hope.
... realtime chat - leonie, Janina...
LW: Mid-june works for me...
<scribe> ACTION: leonie to present realtime chat in TF meeting
[recorded in
[24]http://www.w3.org/2014/05/29-html-a11y-minutes.html#action0
6]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-261 - Present realtime chat in tf
meeting [on Léonie Watson - due 2014-06-05].
ACTION-261 due 2014-06-27
<trackbot> Set ACTION-261 Present realtime chat in tf meeting
due date to 2014-06-27.
CS: can I add menus?
[sure you can]
<scribe> ACTION: cyns to present on menus in TF meeting
[recorded in
[25]http://www.w3.org/2014/05/29-html-a11y-minutes.html#action0
7]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-262 - Present on menus in tf meeting
[on Cynthia Shelly - due 2014-06-05].
JS: What are the most important?
CMN: THe ones I am going to work on...
JS: Calendar would be good, if we are willing to move somewhere
on that. I think media is a big win emerging too.
AR: calendar, media
... but given more time I could come up with a better list.
MS: Media, real time chat, anythng for forms, anything I think
we missed in 5 - accesskey. In that order.
CS: menus, calendars
CMN: abstain
JF: media, especially transcript. payments.
Judy: Fix all the problems…
... sounds like a lot of people are looking around mid-july to
start talking. WOuld encourage people to move earlier so we
start getting the hang of some topics. This might change
perceptions on priority.
JS: 5.1 is aiming for last call in Q4
PC: no comments
... Video.
IP: Media, transcripts. Menus
LW: abstain
DM: video. calendar.
Bug Triage
<LJWatson>
[26]https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?bug_status=NEW&b
ug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&component=HTML%20a11y%20
Task%20Force&list_id=38179&product=HTML%20WG&query_format=advan
ced
[26]
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&component=HTML%20a11y%20Task%20Force&list_id=38179&product=HTML%20WG&query_format=advanced
LW: Have cleared our backlog of 5.0 bugs. We have 8 bugs in
holding pattern in TF component.
<LJWatson>
[27]https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13639
[27] https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13639
... one bug we want TF input. Needs some looking at.
... support for CSS2 system colours.
... if this is a valid issue we need to know why and what to
do.
JS: Suspect it is still a valid problem, but to what extent?
... Users who have issues with colour contrast set up systems
to match them. Having systems that don't respect those causes
problems. We have had problems getting tools to honour system
colours.
DM: Wayne Dick?
<JF> ACTION: JF to contact Wayne Dick for input on CSS2 system
colours issue [recorded in
[28]http://www.w3.org/2014/05/29-html-a11y-minutes.html#action0
8]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-263 - To contact wayne dick for input
on css2 system colours issue [on John Foliot - due 2014-06-05].
<paulc> Leaving to prep for the WG meeting.
mathML accessibility
JF: I can do some email introductions.
... do you know Sean and Greg?
CS: I know some people.
JF: There is a bunch of expertise around .edu sector.
JS: Also Neill ??? from design science.
<MarkS> Sina Bahram has done a lot of work with MathML. I think
he is with DesignScience as well
CS: Let's synch this offline.
[adjourned]
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: chaals present accesskey in TF meeting. [recorded
in
[29]http://www.w3.org/2014/05/29-html-a11y-minutes.html#action0
4]
[NEW] ACTION: chaals to present web payments in TF meeting
[recorded in
[30]http://www.w3.org/2014/05/29-html-a11y-minutes.html#action0
5]
[NEW] ACTION: cyns to create a wiki page dealing with math
accessibility [recorded in
[31]http://www.w3.org/2014/05/29-html-a11y-minutes.html#action0
1]
[NEW] ACTION: cyns to present on menus in TF meeting [recorded
in
[32]http://www.w3.org/2014/05/29-html-a11y-minutes.html#action0
7]
[NEW] ACTION: foliot present on transcript and media
descriptions [recorded in
[33]http://www.w3.org/2014/05/29-html-a11y-minutes.html#action0
2]
[NEW] ACTION: janina present on date UI in TF meeting. Due
2014-07-20 [recorded in
[34]http://www.w3.org/2014/05/29-html-a11y-minutes.html#action0
3]
[NEW] ACTION: JF top contact Wayne Dick for input on CSS2
system colours issue [recorded in
[35]http://www.w3.org/2014/05/29-html-a11y-minutes.html#action0
8]
[NEW] ACTION: leonie to present realtime chat in TF meeting
[recorded in
[36]http://www.w3.org/2014/05/29-html-a11y-minutes.html#action0
6]
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