RE: is role=menubar NOT for navigation menus.

Hi Rich

 

OK... that’s good to hear you say that... I was dreading the idea of rolling
back 2 hours work... I will keep my edits discouraging menubar on navigation
menus...

 

I’m open to going to the F2F although I’m not a PF member... my city of
Ottawa is about 5 hours from Toronto  by car, but I’m often there.

 

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From: Richard Schwerdtfeger [mailto:schwer@us.ibm.com] 
Sent: January 14, 2014 6:28 PM
To: David MacDonald
Cc: 'Janina Sajka'; kirsten@can-adapt.com; public-html-a11y@w3.org
Subject: Re: is role=menubar NOT for navigation menus.

 

Hi David, 

I think what they are saying is that it should not be used when you have a
site navigation region:

<nav aria-labelledby="foo">
<h1 id="foo">Site Navigation</h1>
<a href="xxx">WAI-ARIA Home Page</a>
<a href="zzz">Janina's accessibility corner</a>
...
</nav>

Really a menubar is a sequence of menu items, most of which cause a submenu,
to be rendered.  menuitems perform an action. With these types of widgets
you are trying to categorize and hide functions until you are ready to use
them.

I think the authoring practices should change as I agree with the person. 

Here is the WAI-ARIA definition of a menubar:
<http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria/roles#menubar>
http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria/roles#menubar

Great to hear from you! Will you be at the PF face to face in Toronto?

Cheers,
Rich
  

Rich Schwerdtfeger

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From: David MacDonald <david100@sympatico.ca>
To: "'Janina Sajka'" <janina@rednote.net>, <public-html-a11y@w3.org>,
Richard Schwerdtfeger/Austin/IBM@IBMUS
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Date: 01/14/2014 04:59 PM
Subject: is role=menubar NOT for navigation menus.

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Hmmmm... I may have answered my own question

The PF best practices doc seems to talk about a links menu freely in this
context. http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-practices/#menu 

Thoughts?

========

Hi Rich and Janina, et al

I'm addressing a bug filed in the Using WAI-ARIA in HTML 5 document.
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=23970 

http://rawgithub.com/w3c/aria-in-html/master/index.html  

It is suggesting that menubar not be used on link navigation menus because
the spec says it is for role=menubar should act like windows and Mac
applications menus that have a selection of commands.
http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria/roles#menubar 

A lot of accessible navigation menus have added that role=menubar, with
menuitems on mega menus etc... Apparently not making a distinction between
navigation menus application menus.

I wonder if there is anybody around who was sitting in the meetings when
they were writing up that document. If so would you say that was the
intention of the PF at the time, to limit the menubar application type
functionality rather than the menubar for navigation functionality? I'm
planning on adding a section to the document that discourages using menubar
on navigation menus. But want to ensure that that was really the intent of
the PF team when they wrote that section.

Cheers,
David MacDonald

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