Re: HTML5 alternatives to table summary don't work in current browsers, and Screen Readers

Janina Sajka wrote:
> The current status of HTML 5 is CR. To change the spec would require a
> return to Last Call. I'm not for that over table summary [...]

> I'm perfectly OK with #2. I agree it leaves a gap, but we've had a gap
> for sometime already. Fortunately, the gap will soon be filled, namely
> when we do our FPWD of ARIA 1.1 later this year. I'm for going forward,
> not backward.

I'm also ok with this.

HTH

Josh

> Just my 2 cents (American).
>
> Janina
>
> David MacDonald writes:
>> Hi Richard
>>
>>
>>
>> A small correction to your take on what I said in my post. I actually did
>> not make a recommendation to return to table Summary. I am simply
>> documenting that as we enter into recommendation status, the advice we are
>> providing to web authors fails WCAGs conformance requirement of
>> accessibility support. And the example techniques listed currently don't
>> help blind folks... even though web authors trust us to give them useful
>> advice.
>>
>>
>>
>> There are certainly well documented disadvantages (and advantages) to the
>> Summary attribute but until AT catches up on replacements, and they have had
>> several years to do so, we are looking at another of those awful gaps that
>> work on paper but not in the real world for blind folks.
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> David MacDonald
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> From: Richard Schwerdtfeger [mailto:schwer@us.ibm.com]
>> Sent: June-21-13 10:48 AM
>> To: w3c-wai-gl@w3.org; public-html-a11y@w3.org
>> Cc: Steve Faulkner; mick@nvaccess.org
>> Subject: Re: HTML5 alternatives to table summary don't work in current
>> browsers, and Screen Readers
>>
>>
>>
>> David,
>>
>> I saw your post that you think summary should be reinstated because of a
>> JAWS and/or NVDA have a defect (it works in VoiceOver) does not warrant
>> going back to the hodge podge of attributes that were thrown in at the end
>> of HTML 4's release.
>>
>> Let's stick with a consistent set of APIs (ARIA) that developers can go to
>> as much as possible for one stop shopping.
>>
>> I have alerted Freedom Scientific of the defect and they will fix it. I have
>> copied Mick Curran at NVDA and hopefully they will also correct the problem
>> with IE and Firefox.
>>
>> Mick, please see the following link:
>>
>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2013AprJun/0089.html#start89
>>
>> We can't be writing specs. based on proprietary assistive technology
>> defects.
>>
>> Rich
>>
>>
>>
>> Rich Schwerdtfeger
>>
>

Received on Friday, 21 June 2013 17:09:08 UTC