- From: Charles McCathie Nevile <chaals@yandex-team.ru>
- Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 22:42:46 +0200
- To: "James Craig" <jcraig@apple.com>
- Cc: "HTML Accessibility Task Force" <public-html-a11y@w3.org>
[some liberal snipping applied]
On Mon, 24 Sep 2012 18:34:59 +0200, James Craig <jcraig@apple.com> wrote:
> On Sep 23, 2012, at 5:42 AM, Charles McCathie Nevile
>> On Sat, 22 Sep 2012 03:21:10 +0200, James Craig <jcraig@apple.com>
>> As I understand this teachnique, (and from my own testing) it only works
>> for people who are browsing with images off, or using a screen reader.
>
> That's the target audience, yes.
OK. I suspect this is a really significant point of disagreement. I
believe that is *one part* of a target audience that is significantly
larger. That is the TL;DR:
[...]
> ... but I still believe the negatives are outweighed by the positive
> that implementation support for iframe is universal.
Universal support in browsers is great. But I believe that visual
impairment which leads to ignoring images is less common than visual
impairment that leads to using images but getting substantial benefit from
accessibility support designed for non-visual users. (More about that
below...)
That is why I conclude the iframe technique solves the wrong problem, or
only solves part of the problem. It won't work for a significant number of
the people who need it. In this respect it is like the various image
replacement techniques that were designed for screenreader users, but
failed because they effectively assumed that users more or less divide
into those who see no images and those who can see with no problems.
By comparison, the woeful level of implementation of longdesc actually
includes extensions that will work for a huge proportion of those who
actually need it - with your primary target group already being well
served by the software they are likely to be using (I am assuming that
NVDA and VoiceOver do not yet share a majority of the screen reader
market), even before they look for something tailored to their needs.
I suspect reconciling our differences on who we are trying to help is a
critical step to reaching consensus on what constitutes an acceptable (set
of) solutions. The rest of this mail is a partial explanation /
justification of my belief that the problem space is significantly larger
than screenreader users.
Be warned. From here are statistics and similar half-truths from a
snakepit of guesswork, estimation, and weeding through masses of data for
something that prima facie appears both sufficiently reliable and
sufficiently detailed to provide some basis for a roughly credible
statement. On the positive side, I present here all data I found that met
those criteria.
I was looking for further information on proportions of people with visual
disability who are blind, compared to those who have vision impairment but
are not blind, as a partial proxy for people who will use a screenreader,
or otherwise effectively surf with images off. I believe the data support
my claim. Numbers are rounded, because statistics are rough truth, but
with some care because massaging them further isn't helpful.
A UN DISTAT publication from 1990 [1] includes the following:
Austria, 1976: visual impairments 8%, total blindness 0.07%, blind in one
eye 0.5%
"FRG" (West Germany excluding Bavaria): 270k people with visual
impairment, of which 50k blind
Then I went looking at the Australian Bureau of Statistics. A couple of
.xls files give statistics on disability prevalence in the general
population (as estimated/measured in 2009), and on the distribution of
disability.
The prevalence of "total", "severe", and "moderate" limitation are roughly
equal at around 600k people of a total population of about 20M [2], with
the prevalence of "mild" limitation being about double any of those.
Correlating that with the proportion of disabilities that are related to
the eye[3], at 3.2% of total limitation, 2.5% of severe limitation and
0.9% of moderate limitation suggests that total visual limitation is less
common than moderate to severe limitation (lumping together), which are in
turn less common than mild limitation.
And then I went back to hunting for data on the US. A lot of broken links,
but NICHCY (federally funded and focused on US children with disability
and their education) provides a fact sheet on visual impairment which
says[4]
[[[
Visual impairment is the consequence of a functional loss of vision,
rather than the eye disorder itself. Eye disorders which can lead to
visual impairments can include retinal degeneration, albinism, cataracts,
glaucoma, muscular problems that result in visual disturbances, corneal
disorders, diabetic retinopathy, congenital disorders, and infection.
Incidence
The rate at which visual impairments occur in individuals under the age of
18 is 12.2 per 1,000. Severe visual impairments (legally or totally blind)
occur at a rate of .06 per 1,000.
]]]
And then there is the WHO's first global report on disability. Which
recommends that we learn more about it, and figure out how to get on the
same page (are they reading our mail?), but includes the tidbit [5] That
in Zambia in 2006, a survey of 28k people suggests .5% cannot see, 2.6%
have a lot of difficulty seeing, and 4.7% have at least some difficulty.
[1] http://unstats.un.org/unsd/publication/seriesy/seriesy_4e.pdf - around
page 170 or so (very roughly)
[2]
<http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/subscriber.nsf/log?openagent&44460do001_2009.xls&4446.0&Data%20Cubes&E08A1AE9402E778BCA257881001642F2&0&2009&02.05.2011&Previous>
table 1.1
[3]
<http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/subscriber.nsf/log?openagent&44460do002_2009.xls&4446.0&Data%20Cubes&95E848A7EC5BBEC8CA25788100164329&0&2009&02.05.2011&Previous>
table 2.3
[4] http://nichcy.org/disability/specific/visualimpairment/ - middle of
the page
[5] http://www.who.int/entity/disabilities/world_report/2011/chapter2.pdf
page 26 of the report (page 8 of the PDF which is a single chapter of the
overall report)
cheers
Chaals
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