- From: John Foliot <jfoliot@stanford.edu>
- Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 15:49:26 -0700 (PDT)
- To: "'Leif Halvard Silli'" <xn--mlform-iua@xn--mlform-iua.no>
- Cc: "'Laura Carlson'" <laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com>, "'HTML Accessibility Task Force'" <public-html-a11y@w3.org>, "'Charles McCathieNevile'" <chaals@opera.com>, "'Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis'" <bhawkeslewis@googlemail.com>, "'Geoff Freed'" <geoff_freed@wgbh.org>, "'Richard Schwerdtfeger'" <schwer@us.ibm.com>, "'Steve Faulkner'" <sfaulkner@paciellogroup.com>, "'Gregory J. Rosmaita'" <oedipus@hicom.net>
Hi Leif, Leif Halvard Silli [mailto:xn--mlform-iua@målform.no] > > Your text was very short - 3000 chars roughly. However it would > certainly reach 6000, when you place it in the Wiki and all references > etc. Still a huge economization over the current >45,000 chars (8363 words) of the current wiki page. (And remember that the wiki page again links off to other documents, for example Laura's completed Use Cases at http://www.d.umn.edu/~lcarlson/research/ld.html#uc - more valuable text not taken into that numeric count.) > > Before discussing a new text, would it not be interesting to see if > Laura could shorten her text via the suggested means - namely by moving > stuff to sub pages ? Almost the entire first pass text I provided was extracted directly from the long document: it was based upon the table of contents (edited) and used language that introduces the main sections from the current wiki page. I think I added maybe 3 words, and edited 2 or 3 instances to change author tense, etc. I have not sought to re-write what Laura has provided, but rather to be a brutal copy editor. I am open to whatever means we can determine to edit this down, but remain convinced that the current wiki document is simply too verbose and overwhelming - no matter how complete - for most to be able to process efficiently. We need, IMHO, an Executive Summary version. ************ Sam Ruby wrote: > > What I quoted above in the top of my note is four use cases. The first > and the fourth are abstract and don't specifically require longdesc in > any obvious way. The second and third mention that longdesc is one > possible solution. > > I haven't checked with my co-chairs, but my initial reaction is that if > this had been the change proposal that had been submitted with the > reopen request, the request to reopen would not have been granted. Thanks for the feedback Sam. This is/was a sample first pass on my part, nothing more. Laura and others have already done a fabulous job on expanded and complete Use Cases, located in Laura's own private research space at http://www.d.umn.edu/~lcarlson/research/ld.html#uc They include: * Describing a Logo * Describing a Cartoon * Describing Artwork * Describing Screenshots * Describing a Chart * Describing a Photograph * Describing an Email Banner * Describing Illustrations * Facilitating etext Image Descriptions * Describing etext Images * Describing a Newspaper Image Those Use Cases, amounting to another 7,428 words, if printed out on 8.5 X 11 paper would add an additional 20+ pages to the existing 15 that the current wiki would produce. Thus, I will pose this question of you as a Chair: do you prefer a complete 16,000+ word Change Proposal, or a succinct and readable 1,000 - 3,000 word Change Proposal that links to further resources, documents, proofs and related ephemera? What do you, the other Chairs, and the Working Group want? I believe we all want to make this as easy as possible for all concerned to both review and grasp. Thoughts? JF
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