- From: Gregory J. Rosmaita <oedipus@hicom.net>
- Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 18:06:15 +0000
- To: Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net>, public-html@w3.org, public-html-a11y@w3.org
aloha, sam!
in your emessage to public-html on WG decision on ISSUE-130 (table
for layout) the following comment was made upon my comments logged
via WBS:
QUOTE
> practically, i can live with this change proposal, PROVIDED
> that:
>
> We only evaluate change proposals which actually were submitted.
UNQUOTE
i am confused by this response, as the point of the survey was to
solicit WG opinion on 2 competing change proposals intended to
address issue-130, and, since i was asked for my comments and
objections, i provided them, including what it would take for me
to accept tables used for layout in HTML5, to wit:
QUOTE
practically, i can live with this change proposal, PROVIDED that:
2.1) HTML5 define a new global attribute "role";
2.2) HTML5 allows the "annotations for assistive technology" section
to define the acceptable values for "role" and their association
with HTML5 elements;
2.3) HTML5 specifically allows role="presentation" to be applied to
TABLE markup;
2.4) HTML5 clarify that TABLE should not be used for presentational
purposes, but that applying role="presentation" is allowed for repair
of older content (both documents rendered by a UA and templates in
authoring tools) and in cases where styling cannot be achieved via
CSS or which lack a CSS engine
if these 4 conditions are met, it will mean that if a TABLE bears a
role="presentation" and contains a FORM, the table markup for that
TABLE should be thrown out by the assistive technology, so that a
user of AT can use a "forms-mode" to interact with and double-check
FORM controls and their states directly, even though they are
contained in a TABLE, without the need for wrapping the actual HTML
TABLE in a DIV with the role="form"
UNQUOTE
that isn't a Change Proposal but an attempt to define what would
be necessary for allowing TABLE for presentation in HTML5 given
the 2 change proposals the WG was specifically asked to review
and comment upon -- why was my comment, then, simply dismissed
with the statement: "We only evaluate change proposals which
actually were submitted."
that answer does not suffice -- i WAS commenting on the change
proposals which were submitted; the introductory text on the
survey specifically states: "Keep in mind, you must actually
state an objection", which i did in logging what would be
necessary in order for me to accept TABLE use for layout in
HTML5... why, then, were my arguments so casually dismissed
when they DO actually state an objection to the change proposal
logged at:
http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/layouttables
gregory.
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