- From: Steven Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>
- Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 10:00:39 +0000
- To: Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com>
- Cc: HTML Accessibility Task Force <public-html-a11y@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <55687cf81001290200m4cf27705t35d416ac1661a9c0@mail.gmail.com>
hi Maciej, OK, I gave you until February 10 to make whatever updates you like: http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/173 thanks >If it takes longer than that, then we might just ask for counter-proposals and let any further revisions proceed in parallel. I am fine with this. regards steve On 28 January 2010 03:37, Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com> wrote: > Hi Steve, > > On Jan 22, 2010, at 1:44 AM, Steven Faulkner wrote: > > Hi Maciej, will update the rationales by mid next week. > > The doc > HTML5: Techniques for the provision of text alternatives > http://www.paciellogroup.com/blog/misc/HTML5/new/img-new.html > (associated with 1. split out and modify parts of Section 4.8.2.1 the img > element Change Proposal > http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML/ChangeProposals/ImgElement20091209 ) is a > work in progress, I would like to get it to a point that it is ready for > FWPD, but am unsure of what the requirements are. > > > OK, I gave you until February 10 to make whatever updates you like: > http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/173 > > If it takes longer than that, then we might just ask for counter-proposals > and let any further revisions proceed in parallel. > > Regards, > Maciej > > > > <http://www.paciellogroup.com/blog/misc/HTML5/new/img-new.html> > > > regards > stevef > > 2010/1/22 Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com> > >> >> On Jan 21, 2010, at 11:56 PM, Steven Faulkner wrote: >> >> HI maciej, >> I am a little confused, if you follow the thread you pointed to I provided >> updates a few days later [ >> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Dec/0268.html]. I >> ended up splitting the change proposal into 2 seperate proposals. Was this >> change registered by the chairs? >> >> 1. split out and modify parts of Section 4.8.2.1 the img element Change >> Proposal >> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML/ChangeProposals/ImgElement20091209 >> 2. Modify img element section Change Proposal >> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML/ChangeProposals/ImgElement20091203 >> >> >> I see. Looks like we did miss that - not sure how. For reference, if you >> don't see a reply or see the Change Proposal recorded on the issue status >> page, we probably overlooked it. I'll record these new change proposals. >> However, I'm not sure if you fully address the original comments. The >> rationale you give for the two things that lacked rationale is: >> >> The intent here is: >> • To allow new methods to be used for providing short text alternatives >> (e.g. LABELLEDBY) >> • To allow the use of either role="presentation" and/or alt="" to mark >> "presentational" images. >> >> But that doesn't give a reason, it just repeats back what the change is. >> Let me know if you'd like to take another try at adding rationale or if we >> should proceed as-is. >> >> Think in terms of completing the sentence: 'HTML5 should allow the use of >> either role="presentation" and/or alt="" to mark "presentational" images >> because...'. I hope you can see how completing it with '... the intent is >> to allow the use of either role="presentation" and/or alt="" to mark >> "presentational" images' is a circular argument and therefore does not >> provide actual rationale. >> >> Regards, >> Maciej >> >> >> >> regards >> steve >> >> 2010/1/22 Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com> >> >>> >>> On Jan 21, 2010, at 1:42 AM, Steven Faulkner wrote: >>> >>> Hi Maciej, >>> >>> >On ISSUE-31, there is currently no tracker action for the needed >>> revisions. Steve, can you give us your estimate of when you plan to be done >>> with revisions, >or an indication that you do not plan to make any changes? >>> are you talking about revisions to the change proposals on the wiki or >>> revisions to the documents asscoiated with the change proposal such as >>> http://www.paciellogroup.com/blog/misc/HTML5/new/img-new.html? >>> >>> >>> I'm taking about these review comments about certain things in the Change >>> Proposal itself not having proper rationale: < >>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Dec/0238.html>. Are >>> you planning to make the suggested changes, and if so, when? If you are >>> planning to make further changes to either the Change Proposal itself or >>> supporting documents, feel free to include those in your time estimate. >>> >>> Here's the current entry on the status page: < >>> http://dev.w3.org/html5/status/issue-status.html#ISSUE-031>. >>> >>> Regards, >>> MAciej >>> >>> >>> >>> regards >>> stevef >>> >>> 2010/1/21 Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com> >>> >>>> Hello Cynthia, Steve, and HTML Accessibility TF, >>>> >>>> The HTML WG Chairs would like to move forward soon on two >>>> accessibility-related Change Proposals, the ones for table-summary >>>> (ISSUE-32) and missing-alt (ISSUE-31). We are awaiting revised versions of >>>> these before calling for counter-proposals or otherwise moving forward, >>>> though at some point we will consider just going what we have and calling >>>> for counter-proposals anyway. >>>> >>>> On the ISSUE-32 Change Proposal, Cynthia Shelley has the following >>>> ACTION, which is overdue: < >>>> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/167>. Cynthia, can you give >>>> us a new realistic timeline? >>>> >>>> On ISSUE-31, there is currently no tracker action for the needed >>>> revisions. Steve, can you give us your estimate of when you plan to be done >>>> with revisions, or an indication that you do not plan to make any changes? >>>> >>>> Task Force, can you please make these revisions a priority, and give >>>> Cynthia and Steve whatever assistance they need? >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Maciej >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> with regards >>> >>> Steve Faulkner >>> Technical Director - TPG Europe >>> Director - Web Accessibility Tools Consortium >>> >>> www.paciellogroup.com | www.wat-c.org >>> Web Accessibility Toolbar - >>> http://www.paciellogroup.com/resources/wat-ie-about.html >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> with regards >> >> Steve Faulkner >> Technical Director - TPG Europe >> Director - Web Accessibility Tools Consortium >> >> www.paciellogroup.com | www.wat-c.org >> Web Accessibility Toolbar - >> http://www.paciellogroup.com/resources/wat-ie-about.html >> >> >> > > > -- > with regards > > Steve Faulkner > Technical Director - TPG Europe > Director - Web Accessibility Tools Consortium > > www.paciellogroup.com | www.wat-c.org > Web Accessibility Toolbar - > http://www.paciellogroup.com/resources/wat-ie-about.html > > > -- with regards Steve Faulkner Technical Director - TPG Europe Director - Web Accessibility Tools Consortium www.paciellogroup.com | www.wat-c.org Web Accessibility Toolbar - http://www.paciellogroup.com/resources/wat-ie-about.html
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