- From: Steven Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>
- Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 09:44:14 +0000
- To: Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com>
- Cc: HTML Accessibility Task Force <public-html-a11y@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <55687cf81001220144n768018f4nfb5e792d2ddd60e8@mail.gmail.com>
Hi Maciej, will update the rationales by mid next week. The doc HTML5: Techniques for the provision of text alternatives http://www.paciellogroup.com/blog/misc/HTML5/new/img-new.html (associated with 1. split out and modify parts of Section 4.8.2.1 the img element Change Proposal http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML/ChangeProposals/ImgElement20091209 ) is a work in progress, I would like to get it to a point that it is ready for FWPD, but am unsure of what the requirements are. <http://www.paciellogroup.com/blog/misc/HTML5/new/img-new.html> regards stevef 2010/1/22 Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com> > > On Jan 21, 2010, at 11:56 PM, Steven Faulkner wrote: > > HI maciej, > I am a little confused, if you follow the thread you pointed to I provided > updates a few days later [ > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Dec/0268.html]. I > ended up splitting the change proposal into 2 seperate proposals. Was this > change registered by the chairs? > > 1. split out and modify parts of Section 4.8.2.1 the img element Change > Proposal > http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML/ChangeProposals/ImgElement20091209 > 2. Modify img element section Change Proposal > http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML/ChangeProposals/ImgElement20091203 > > > I see. Looks like we did miss that - not sure how. For reference, if you > don't see a reply or see the Change Proposal recorded on the issue status > page, we probably overlooked it. I'll record these new change proposals. > However, I'm not sure if you fully address the original comments. The > rationale you give for the two things that lacked rationale is: > > The intent here is: > • To allow new methods to be used for providing short text alternatives > (e.g. LABELLEDBY) > • To allow the use of either role="presentation" and/or alt="" to mark > "presentational" images. > > But that doesn't give a reason, it just repeats back what the change is. > Let me know if you'd like to take another try at adding rationale or if we > should proceed as-is. > > Think in terms of completing the sentence: 'HTML5 should allow the use of > either role="presentation" and/or alt="" to mark "presentational" images > because...'. I hope you can see how completing it with '... the intent is > to allow the use of either role="presentation" and/or alt="" to mark > "presentational" images' is a circular argument and therefore does not > provide actual rationale. > > Regards, > Maciej > > > > regards > steve > > 2010/1/22 Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com> > >> >> On Jan 21, 2010, at 1:42 AM, Steven Faulkner wrote: >> >> Hi Maciej, >> >> >On ISSUE-31, there is currently no tracker action for the needed >> revisions. Steve, can you give us your estimate of when you plan to be done >> with revisions, >or an indication that you do not plan to make any changes? >> are you talking about revisions to the change proposals on the wiki or >> revisions to the documents asscoiated with the change proposal such as >> http://www.paciellogroup.com/blog/misc/HTML5/new/img-new.html? >> >> >> I'm taking about these review comments about certain things in the Change >> Proposal itself not having proper rationale: < >> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Dec/0238.html>. Are >> you planning to make the suggested changes, and if so, when? If you are >> planning to make further changes to either the Change Proposal itself or >> supporting documents, feel free to include those in your time estimate. >> >> Here's the current entry on the status page: < >> http://dev.w3.org/html5/status/issue-status.html#ISSUE-031>. >> >> Regards, >> MAciej >> >> >> >> regards >> stevef >> >> 2010/1/21 Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com> >> >>> Hello Cynthia, Steve, and HTML Accessibility TF, >>> >>> The HTML WG Chairs would like to move forward soon on two >>> accessibility-related Change Proposals, the ones for table-summary >>> (ISSUE-32) and missing-alt (ISSUE-31). We are awaiting revised versions of >>> these before calling for counter-proposals or otherwise moving forward, >>> though at some point we will consider just going what we have and calling >>> for counter-proposals anyway. >>> >>> On the ISSUE-32 Change Proposal, Cynthia Shelley has the following >>> ACTION, which is overdue: <http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/167>. >>> Cynthia, can you give us a new realistic timeline? >>> >>> On ISSUE-31, there is currently no tracker action for the needed >>> revisions. Steve, can you give us your estimate of when you plan to be done >>> with revisions, or an indication that you do not plan to make any changes? >>> >>> Task Force, can you please make these revisions a priority, and give >>> Cynthia and Steve whatever assistance they need? >>> >>> Regards, >>> Maciej >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> with regards >> >> Steve Faulkner >> Technical Director - TPG Europe >> Director - Web Accessibility Tools Consortium >> >> www.paciellogroup.com | www.wat-c.org >> Web Accessibility Toolbar - >> http://www.paciellogroup.com/resources/wat-ie-about.html >> >> >> > > > -- > with regards > > Steve Faulkner > Technical Director - TPG Europe > Director - Web Accessibility Tools Consortium > > www.paciellogroup.com | www.wat-c.org > Web Accessibility Toolbar - > http://www.paciellogroup.com/resources/wat-ie-about.html > > > -- with regards Steve Faulkner Technical Director - TPG Europe Director - Web Accessibility Tools Consortium www.paciellogroup.com | www.wat-c.org Web Accessibility Toolbar - http://www.paciellogroup.com/resources/wat-ie-about.html
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