- From: Dan Connolly <connolly@w3.org>
- Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 15:06:51 -0500
- To: GRDDL Working Group <public-grddl-wg@w3.org>
hypertext: http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes plain text: [1]W3C [1] http://www.w3.org/ GRDDL WG Weekly 30 Aug 2006 [2]Agenda [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2006Aug/0129.html See also: [3]IRC log [3] http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-irc Attendees Present DanC, FabienGandon, harryh, Brian_Suda, Rachel_Yager, chimezie Regrets Ben, Adida, IanD, danja Chair harryh Scribe DanC Contents * [4]Topics 1. [5]Convene GRDDL WG meeting of 2006-08-30T15:00Z (11am Boston time) 2. [6]Double-check our understanding of meeting times 3. [7]Discussion of Primer Document 4. [8]Quick review of Use Cases document, reviewing actions from last meeting 5. [9][#issue-base-param] 6. [10][#issue-whichlangs] * [11]Summary of Action Items _________________________________________________________ Convene GRDDL WG meeting of 2006-08-30T15:00Z (11am Boston time) <scribe> scribe: DanC -> [12]Edited Minutes for review: Aug 23 2006 15:00Z GRDDL WG meeting [12] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2006Aug/0145.html Vipul Kashyap is excused <ryager> I may need to leave in half hour. <harryh> ryager: that's fine! RESOLUTION: to accept [13]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2006Aug/0145 .html as a true record [13] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2006Aug/0145.html Double-check our understanding of meeting times <harryh> Rachel, Are you okay with scribing? PROPOSED: to meet 11:00am-12:30 ET Boston Time Wed 6 Sep, and weekly thereafter at 11am Boston time so RESOLVED scribe for 6 Sep is ryager Discussion of Primer Document <scribe> ACTION: Ian to discuss using meeting-scheduling for the primer [CONTINUES] [recorded in [14]http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action01] [14] http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action01 briansuda: I've been working on the hreview/guitar details... haven't found much real hreview data, but I expect to be able to work around that ... I have a draft in progress... how to share...? harryh: just mail a pointer or copy to the mailing list <chimezie> ty harryh: do you think we can get a primer done in Sep? briansuda: depends... I'm not aware of an aggregator; building one would be tricky DanC: well, the xmlarmyknife service will aggregate real-time, if you give it the URIs briansuda: well, does that match the use case? DanC: well, just start with whatever works. <scribe> ACTION: BrianS to discuss using guitar-buying for the primer [CONTINUES] [recorded in [15]http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action02] [15] http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action02 Quick review of Use Cases document, reviewing actions from last meeting 1.17 [16]http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/doc43/scenario-gallery.htm [16] http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/doc43/scenario-gallery.htm harryh: I read it, and I like it DanC: I like what I've read in detail; I skimmed some parts. The W3C/Digital library case doesn't motivate GRDDL so much; I haven't found inspiration to contribute. FabienGandon: note that isn't just the W3C /TR/ case; it's got 2 others merged in (querying ) <ryager> I'm leaving now... ryager: I intend to copyedit a draft; let me know exactly which draft, ok? harryh: how about taking the W3C-specific stuff out of use case #4? FabienGandon: well, OK, but I'd prefer to integrate real experience from someone else. . ACTION: DanC and Fabien to elaborate W3C /TR/ case. I'm inclined to withdraw, since I need to catch up on testing work DanC: one approach is to say "here's what the W3C does with RDF and /TR/; here's how it could be better with GRDDL" <harryh> ACTION: Harry to review digital library use case [recorded in [17]http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action03] [17] http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action03 <scribe> ACTION: Fabien to review/reconsider digital library use case [recorded in [18]http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action04] [18] http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action04 harryh: so we still need an XML Schema use case...? DanC: I think the clinical data use case covers XML Schema; another one would be nice, but not essential for 1st release. ... there are two cases Ben and I have discussed... I think it's ok to defer them to later drafts... <scribe> ACTION: FabienGandon to note that "Plus: ... " part of scheduling use case #1 needs work, and ask Ben for help whenever he becomes availble and drop it from the draft, meanwhile [recorded in [19]http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action05] [19] http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action05 <harryh> Chime is going to talk to danja <harryh> to make sure Xforms use case works well with Atom, but otherwise he's happy poll: what to do between now and pub? Harry: I think the digial lib use case needs work, and then it's ready <chimezie> FabienGandon (off topic) but *how* do you create those diagrams? :) <harryh> ACTION: Ryager to read draft thoroughly [recorded in [20]http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action06] [20] http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action06 DanC: I'd like to make a decision maybe next week, after having somebody read it top-to-bottom this week FabienGandon: we need an intro... ... [missed?] ... need help with seealso applications <chimezie> pointers to 'see also' <harryh> 2 more diagrams FabienGandon: need help from BenA. Harry: we don't need seealso pointers if there aren't apps FabienGandon: the seealso pointers are brand new; I need to let people know. ... feels like we're 2 weeks from shipping, to me briansuda: looks pretty good; I'd like to go over it one time... ... in the review use case, there's some talk of switching to hotels from guitars; I don't know if the primer has to exactly match... Chime: need to check with danja about atomol, [missed], diagram for clinical data use case Harry: Dan, last week you were interested in an XML/XML-schema primer? DanC: yes, 2 audiences for primer stuff: microformats, XML/schema data ... Chime, does the clinical data have namespace pointers? Chime: yes... mostly HL7. Not URIs that cleveland clinic owns. Harry: so this looks desireable, but I don't see commitment in the form of immediate action. ok to skip XML/schema it for 1st draft primer? [yes] [#issue-base-param] <scribe> ACTION: DanC to enumerate options for base issue, pick one, and propose it in the form of a test case [CONTINUES] [recorded in [21]http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action07] [21] http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action07 Danc: options include: (a) no specific mechanism, just use relative URIs in and out ... (b) use the XSLT 2 base-something() function ... (c) use a GRDDL-specified Base param ... (a1) use xml:base and/or <base href="..." /> in the instance Brian: hmm... consider the case of the tidy service... relative URIs might not get the right treatment there Chime: there's also the RSS case that Dom mentioned; I dind't completely understand... DanC: I think the norm in the RSS world is to have absolute URIs in <link> elements poll... preferred option Chime: let's stick to existing XSLT 1 mechanisms. (a) Brian: I'm currently relying on (c) in the case that (a) isn't enough FabienGandon: we're currently using a parameter in combination with base DanC: I have a mild preference for no new mechanism (a), but I'm not sure yet. FabienGandon: ah... I see the issue around stanrdizing the parameter name now... I think I prefer that GRDDL doesn't specify a new mechanism. Harry: I don't want the parameter to override xml:base. ... and since xslt2 alreayd standadizes a base uri function, we should mention that. DanC: I think I'll make a test case with the xslt2 function too. [#issue-whichlangs] <scribe> ACTION: Harry to propose minimum set of transformation formats that must be supported by grddl processors. [DONE] [recorded in [22]http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action08] [22] http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action08 -> [23]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2006Aug/0112 .html GRDDL and transformations (take 2) [23] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2006Aug/0112.html Harry: in sum: SHOULD support XSTL 1; MAY support others. DanC: yes. PROPOSED: to address [#issue-whichlangs] as per the current draft (1.83 2006/08/25 20:23:09). SHOULD support XSLT 1; MAY support others. Chime: <?xml-stylesheet ?> introduces some ambiguity... DanC: yes... we should be clear on that [I'll probably add a new issue] <scribe> ACTION: DanC to add issue for relationship to <?xml-stylesheet ?> [recorded in [24]http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action09] [24] http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action09 <harryh> Harry: We need to add the media type story to GRDDL spec <scribe> ACTION: Harry to draft some elaboration on how media types work with GRDDL [recorded in [25]http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action10] [25] http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action10 <harryh> ACTION: Harry to write a few sentences on media type draft and run by DanC [recorded in [26]http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action11] [26] http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action11 (oops; dup) RESOLUTION: to address [#issue-whichlangs] as per the current draft (1.83 2006/08/25 20:23:09). SHOULD support XSLT 1; MAY support others. "While javascript, C, or any other programming language technically ..." [scribe got too involved in the discussion] <scribe> ACTION: BenA to flesh out HTML RDF/A output of GRDDL use cases [CONTINUES] [recorded in [27]http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action12] [27] http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action12 agenda points to [28]http://www.w3.org/TeamSubmission/grddl/ ... [28] http://www.w3.org/TeamSubmission/grddl/ scribe: I'm editing [29]http://www.w3.org/2004/01/rdxh/spec [29] http://www.w3.org/2004/01/rdxh/spec <scribe> ACTION: Chime to suggest which conformance labels, if any, the GRDDL spec should include [recorded in [30]http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action13] [30] http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action13 AJDOURN. action -11 <scribe> ACTION:Harry to discuss with BenA and DanC the XML Schema use-case in context of Creative Commons and OAI. See clarification from DanC. [CONTINUES] [recorded in [31]http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action14] [31] http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action14 <scribe> ACTION:Danja to discuss wiki usecase, query usecase, and e-learning usecase [DONE] [recorded in [32]http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action15] [32] http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action15 yeah... rephrase "how a GRDDL client interacts with a document whose root element is an XSLT literal result element" to include xinclude <harryh> \away off to dinner Summary of Action Items [NEW] ACTION: Chime to suggest which conformance labels, if any, the GRDDL spec should include [recorded in [33]http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action13] [NEW] ACTION: DanC to add issue for relationship to <?xml-stylesheet ?> [recorded in [34]http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action09] [NEW] ACTION: Fabien to review/reconsider digital library use case [recorded in [35]http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action04] [NEW] ACTION: FabienGandon to note that "Plus: ... " part of scheduling use case #1 needs work, and ask Ben for help whenever he becomes availble and drop it from the draft, meanwhile [recorded in [36]http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action05] [NEW] ACTION: Harry to draft some elaboration on how media types work with GRDDL [recorded in [37]http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action10] [NEW] ACTION: Harry to review digital library use case [recorded in [38]http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action03] [NEW] ACTION: Ryager to read draft thoroughly [recorded in [39]http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action06] [33] http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action13 [34] http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action09 [35] http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action04 [36] http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action05 [37] http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action10 [38] http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action03 [39] http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action06 [PENDING] ACTION: BenA to flesh out HTML RDF/A output of GRDDL use cases [recorded in [40]http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action12] [PENDING] ACTION: BrianS to discuss using guitar-buying for the primer [recorded in [41]http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action02] [PENDING] ACTION: DanC to enumerate options for base issue, pick one, and propose it in the form of a test case [recorded in [42]http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action07] [PENDING] ACTION: Harry to discuss with BenA and DanC the XML Schema use-case in context of Creative Commons and OAI. See clarification from DanC. [recorded in [43]http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action14] [PENDING] ACTION: Ian to discuss using meeting-scheduling for the primer [recorded in [44]http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action01] [40] http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action12 [41] http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action02 [42] http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action07 [43] http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action14 [44] http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action01 [DONE] ACTION: Danja to discuss wiki usecase, query usecase, and e-learning usecase [recorded in [45]http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action15] [DONE] ACTION: Harry to propose minimum set of transformation formats that must be supported by grddl processors. [recorded in [46]http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action08] [45] http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action15 [46] http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action08 [End of minutes] _________________________________________________________ Minutes formatted by David Booth's [47]scribe.perl version 1.127 ([48]CVS log) $Date: 2006/08/30 20:03:44 $ [47] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm [48] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/ -- Dan Connolly, W3C http://www.w3.org/People/Connolly/ D3C2 887B 0F92 6005 C541 0875 0F91 96DE 6E52 C29E
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