GRDDL WG 30 Aug minutes for review

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   [1]W3C

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                            GRDDL WG Weekly

30 Aug 2006

   [2]Agenda

      [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2006Aug/0129.html

   See also: [3]IRC log

      [3] http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-irc

Attendees

   Present
          DanC, FabienGandon, harryh, Brian_Suda, Rachel_Yager,
          chimezie

   Regrets
          Ben, Adida, IanD, danja

   Chair
          harryh

   Scribe
          DanC

Contents

     * [4]Topics
         1. [5]Convene GRDDL WG meeting of 2006-08-30T15:00Z (11am
            Boston time)
         2. [6]Double-check our understanding of meeting times
         3. [7]Discussion of Primer Document
         4. [8]Quick review of Use Cases document, reviewing actions
            from last meeting
         5. [9][#issue-base-param]
         6. [10][#issue-whichlangs]
     * [11]Summary of Action Items
     _________________________________________________________

Convene GRDDL WG meeting of 2006-08-30T15:00Z (11am Boston time)

   <scribe> scribe: DanC

   -> [12]Edited Minutes for review: Aug 23 2006 15:00Z GRDDL WG
   meeting

     [12] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2006Aug/0145.html

   Vipul Kashyap is excused

   <ryager> I may need to leave in half hour.

   <harryh> ryager: that's fine!

   RESOLUTION: to accept
   [13]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2006Aug/0145
   .html as a true record

     [13] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2006Aug/0145.html

Double-check our understanding of meeting times

   <harryh> Rachel, Are you okay with scribing?

   PROPOSED: to meet 11:00am-12:30 ET Boston Time Wed 6 Sep, and weekly
   thereafter at 11am Boston time

   so RESOLVED

   scribe for 6 Sep is ryager

Discussion of Primer Document

   <scribe> ACTION: Ian to discuss using meeting-scheduling for the
   primer [CONTINUES] [recorded in
   [14]http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action01]

     [14] http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action01

   briansuda: I've been working on the hreview/guitar details...
   haven't found much real hreview data, but I expect to be able to
   work around that
   ... I have a draft in progress... how to share...?

   harryh: just mail a pointer or copy to the mailing list

   <chimezie> ty

   harryh: do you think we can get a primer done in Sep?

   briansuda: depends... I'm not aware of an aggregator; building one
   would be tricky

   DanC: well, the xmlarmyknife service will aggregate real-time, if
   you give it the URIs

   briansuda: well, does that match the use case?

   DanC: well, just start with whatever works.

   <scribe> ACTION: BrianS to discuss using guitar-buying for the
   primer [CONTINUES] [recorded in
   [15]http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action02]

     [15] http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action02

Quick review of Use Cases document, reviewing actions from last meeting

   1.17
   [16]http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/doc43/scenario-gallery.htm

     [16] http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/doc43/scenario-gallery.htm

   harryh: I read it, and I like it

   DanC: I like what I've read in detail; I skimmed some parts. The
   W3C/Digital library case doesn't motivate GRDDL so much; I haven't
   found inspiration to contribute.

   FabienGandon: note that isn't just the W3C /TR/ case; it's got 2
   others merged in (querying )

   <ryager> I'm leaving now...

   ryager: I intend to copyedit a draft; let me know exactly which
   draft, ok?

   harryh: how about taking the W3C-specific stuff out of use case #4?

   FabienGandon: well, OK, but I'd prefer to integrate real experience
   from someone else.
   . ACTION: DanC and Fabien to elaborate W3C /TR/ case.

   I'm inclined to withdraw, since I need to catch up on testing work

   DanC: one approach is to say "here's what the W3C does with RDF and
   /TR/; here's how it could be better with GRDDL"

   <harryh> ACTION: Harry to review digital library use case [recorded
   in [17]http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action03]

     [17] http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action03

   <scribe> ACTION: Fabien to review/reconsider digital library use
   case [recorded in
   [18]http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action04]

     [18] http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action04

   harryh: so we still need an XML Schema use case...?

   DanC: I think the clinical data use case covers XML Schema; another
   one would be nice, but not essential for 1st release.
   ... there are two cases Ben and I have discussed... I think it's ok
   to defer them to later drafts...

   <scribe> ACTION: FabienGandon to note that "Plus: ... " part of
   scheduling use case #1 needs work, and ask Ben for help whenever he
   becomes availble and drop it from the draft, meanwhile [recorded in
   [19]http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action05]

     [19] http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action05

   <harryh> Chime is going to talk to danja

   <harryh> to make sure Xforms use case works well with Atom, but
   otherwise he's happy

   poll: what to do between now and pub?

   Harry: I think the digial lib use case needs work, and then it's
   ready

   <chimezie> FabienGandon (off topic) but *how* do you create those
   diagrams? :)

   <harryh> ACTION: Ryager to read draft thoroughly [recorded in
   [20]http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action06]

     [20] http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action06

   DanC: I'd like to make a decision maybe next week, after having
   somebody read it top-to-bottom this week

   FabienGandon: we need an intro...
   ... [missed?]
   ... need help with seealso applications

   <chimezie> pointers to 'see also'

   <harryh> 2 more diagrams

   FabienGandon: need help from BenA.

   Harry: we don't need seealso pointers if there aren't apps

   FabienGandon: the seealso pointers are brand new; I need to let
   people know.
   ... feels like we're 2 weeks from shipping, to me

   briansuda: looks pretty good; I'd like to go over it one time...
   ... in the review use case, there's some talk of switching to hotels
   from guitars; I don't know if the primer has to exactly match...

   Chime: need to check with danja about atomol, [missed], diagram for
   clinical data use case

   Harry: Dan, last week you were interested in an XML/XML-schema
   primer?

   DanC: yes, 2 audiences for primer stuff: microformats, XML/schema
   data
   ... Chime, does the clinical data have namespace pointers?

   Chime: yes... mostly HL7. Not URIs that cleveland clinic owns.

   Harry: so this looks desireable, but I don't see commitment in the
   form of immediate action. ok to skip XML/schema it for 1st draft
   primer?

   [yes]

[#issue-base-param]

   <scribe> ACTION: DanC to enumerate options for base issue, pick one,
   and propose it in the form of a test case [CONTINUES] [recorded in
   [21]http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action07]

     [21] http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action07

   Danc: options include: (a) no specific mechanism, just use relative
   URIs in and out
   ... (b) use the XSLT 2 base-something() function
   ... (c) use a GRDDL-specified Base param
   ... (a1) use xml:base and/or <base href="..." /> in the instance

   Brian: hmm... consider the case of the tidy service... relative URIs
   might not get the right treatment there

   Chime: there's also the RSS case that Dom mentioned; I dind't
   completely understand...

   DanC: I think the norm in the RSS world is to have absolute URIs in
   <link> elements

   poll... preferred option

   Chime: let's stick to existing XSLT 1 mechanisms. (a)

   Brian: I'm currently relying on (c) in the case that (a) isn't
   enough

   FabienGandon: we're currently using a parameter in combination with
   base

   DanC: I have a mild preference for no new mechanism (a), but I'm not
   sure yet.

   FabienGandon: ah... I see the issue around stanrdizing the parameter
   name now... I think I prefer that GRDDL doesn't specify a new
   mechanism.

   Harry: I don't want the parameter to override xml:base.
   ... and since xslt2 alreayd standadizes a base uri function, we
   should mention that.

   DanC: I think I'll make a test case with the xslt2 function too.

[#issue-whichlangs]

   <scribe> ACTION: Harry to propose minimum set of transformation
   formats that must be supported by grddl processors. [DONE] [recorded
   in [22]http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action08]

     [22] http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action08

   ->
   [23]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2006Aug/0112
   .html GRDDL and transformations (take 2)

     [23] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2006Aug/0112.html

   Harry: in sum: SHOULD support XSTL 1; MAY support others.

   DanC: yes.

   PROPOSED: to address [#issue-whichlangs] as per the current draft
   (1.83 2006/08/25 20:23:09). SHOULD support XSLT 1; MAY support
   others.

   Chime: <?xml-stylesheet ?> introduces some ambiguity...

   DanC: yes... we should be clear on that [I'll probably add a new
   issue]

   <scribe> ACTION: DanC to add issue for relationship to
   <?xml-stylesheet ?> [recorded in
   [24]http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action09]

     [24] http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action09

   <harryh> Harry: We need to add the media type story to GRDDL spec

   <scribe> ACTION: Harry to draft some elaboration on how media types
   work with GRDDL [recorded in
   [25]http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action10]

     [25] http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action10

   <harryh> ACTION: Harry to write a few sentences on media type draft
   and run by DanC [recorded in
   [26]http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action11]

     [26] http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action11

   (oops; dup)

   RESOLUTION: to address [#issue-whichlangs] as per the current draft
   (1.83 2006/08/25 20:23:09). SHOULD support XSLT 1; MAY support
   others.

   "While javascript, C, or any other programming language technically
   ..."

   [scribe got too involved in the discussion]

   <scribe> ACTION: BenA to flesh out HTML RDF/A output of GRDDL use
   cases [CONTINUES] [recorded in
   [27]http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action12]

     [27] http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action12

   agenda points to [28]http://www.w3.org/TeamSubmission/grddl/ ...

     [28] http://www.w3.org/TeamSubmission/grddl/

   scribe: I'm editing [29]http://www.w3.org/2004/01/rdxh/spec

     [29] http://www.w3.org/2004/01/rdxh/spec

   <scribe> ACTION: Chime to suggest which conformance labels, if any,
   the GRDDL spec should include [recorded in
   [30]http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action13]

     [30] http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action13

   AJDOURN.

   action -11

   <scribe> ACTION:Harry to discuss with BenA and DanC the XML Schema
   use-case in context of Creative Commons and OAI. See clarification
   from DanC. [CONTINUES] [recorded in
   [31]http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action14]

     [31] http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action14

   <scribe> ACTION:Danja to discuss wiki usecase, query usecase, and
   e-learning usecase [DONE] [recorded in
   [32]http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action15]

     [32] http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action15

   yeah... rephrase "how a GRDDL client interacts with a document whose
   root element is an XSLT literal result element" to include xinclude

   <harryh> \away off to dinner

Summary of Action Items

   [NEW] ACTION: Chime to suggest which conformance labels, if any, the
   GRDDL spec should include [recorded in
   [33]http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action13]
   [NEW] ACTION: DanC to add issue for relationship to <?xml-stylesheet
   ?> [recorded in
   [34]http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action09]
   [NEW] ACTION: Fabien to review/reconsider digital library use case
   [recorded in
   [35]http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action04]
   [NEW] ACTION: FabienGandon to note that "Plus: ... " part of
   scheduling use case #1 needs work, and ask Ben for help whenever he
   becomes availble and drop it from the draft, meanwhile [recorded in
   [36]http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action05]
   [NEW] ACTION: Harry to draft some elaboration on how media types
   work with GRDDL [recorded in
   [37]http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action10]
   [NEW] ACTION: Harry to review digital library use case [recorded in
   [38]http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action03]
   [NEW] ACTION: Ryager to read draft thoroughly [recorded in
   [39]http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action06]

     [33] http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action13
     [34] http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action09
     [35] http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action04
     [36] http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action05
     [37] http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action10
     [38] http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action03
     [39] http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action06

   [PENDING] ACTION: BenA to flesh out HTML RDF/A output of GRDDL use
   cases [recorded in
   [40]http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action12]
   [PENDING] ACTION: BrianS to discuss using guitar-buying for the
   primer [recorded in
   [41]http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action02]
   [PENDING] ACTION: DanC to enumerate options for base issue, pick
   one, and propose it in the form of a test case [recorded in
   [42]http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action07]
   [PENDING] ACTION: Harry to discuss with BenA and DanC the XML Schema
   use-case in context of Creative Commons and OAI. See clarification
   from DanC. [recorded in
   [43]http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action14]
   [PENDING] ACTION: Ian to discuss using meeting-scheduling for the
   primer [recorded in
   [44]http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action01]

     [40] http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action12
     [41] http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action02
     [42] http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action07
     [43] http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action14
     [44] http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action01

   [DONE] ACTION: Danja to discuss wiki usecase, query usecase, and
   e-learning usecase [recorded in
   [45]http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action15]
   [DONE] ACTION: Harry to propose minimum set of transformation
   formats that must be supported by grddl processors. [recorded in
   [46]http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action08]

     [45] http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action15
     [46] http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action08

   [End of minutes]
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