- From: Dan Connolly <connolly@w3.org>
- Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 15:06:51 -0500
- To: GRDDL Working Group <public-grddl-wg@w3.org>
hypertext: http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes
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[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
GRDDL WG Weekly
30 Aug 2006
[2]Agenda
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2006Aug/0129.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-irc
Attendees
Present
DanC, FabienGandon, harryh, Brian_Suda, Rachel_Yager,
chimezie
Regrets
Ben, Adida, IanD, danja
Chair
harryh
Scribe
DanC
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]Convene GRDDL WG meeting of 2006-08-30T15:00Z (11am
Boston time)
2. [6]Double-check our understanding of meeting times
3. [7]Discussion of Primer Document
4. [8]Quick review of Use Cases document, reviewing actions
from last meeting
5. [9][#issue-base-param]
6. [10][#issue-whichlangs]
* [11]Summary of Action Items
_________________________________________________________
Convene GRDDL WG meeting of 2006-08-30T15:00Z (11am Boston time)
<scribe> scribe: DanC
-> [12]Edited Minutes for review: Aug 23 2006 15:00Z GRDDL WG
meeting
[12] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2006Aug/0145.html
Vipul Kashyap is excused
<ryager> I may need to leave in half hour.
<harryh> ryager: that's fine!
RESOLUTION: to accept
[13]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2006Aug/0145
.html as a true record
[13] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2006Aug/0145.html
Double-check our understanding of meeting times
<harryh> Rachel, Are you okay with scribing?
PROPOSED: to meet 11:00am-12:30 ET Boston Time Wed 6 Sep, and weekly
thereafter at 11am Boston time
so RESOLVED
scribe for 6 Sep is ryager
Discussion of Primer Document
<scribe> ACTION: Ian to discuss using meeting-scheduling for the
primer [CONTINUES] [recorded in
[14]http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action01]
[14] http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action01
briansuda: I've been working on the hreview/guitar details...
haven't found much real hreview data, but I expect to be able to
work around that
... I have a draft in progress... how to share...?
harryh: just mail a pointer or copy to the mailing list
<chimezie> ty
harryh: do you think we can get a primer done in Sep?
briansuda: depends... I'm not aware of an aggregator; building one
would be tricky
DanC: well, the xmlarmyknife service will aggregate real-time, if
you give it the URIs
briansuda: well, does that match the use case?
DanC: well, just start with whatever works.
<scribe> ACTION: BrianS to discuss using guitar-buying for the
primer [CONTINUES] [recorded in
[15]http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action02]
[15] http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action02
Quick review of Use Cases document, reviewing actions from last meeting
1.17
[16]http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/doc43/scenario-gallery.htm
[16] http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/doc43/scenario-gallery.htm
harryh: I read it, and I like it
DanC: I like what I've read in detail; I skimmed some parts. The
W3C/Digital library case doesn't motivate GRDDL so much; I haven't
found inspiration to contribute.
FabienGandon: note that isn't just the W3C /TR/ case; it's got 2
others merged in (querying )
<ryager> I'm leaving now...
ryager: I intend to copyedit a draft; let me know exactly which
draft, ok?
harryh: how about taking the W3C-specific stuff out of use case #4?
FabienGandon: well, OK, but I'd prefer to integrate real experience
from someone else.
. ACTION: DanC and Fabien to elaborate W3C /TR/ case.
I'm inclined to withdraw, since I need to catch up on testing work
DanC: one approach is to say "here's what the W3C does with RDF and
/TR/; here's how it could be better with GRDDL"
<harryh> ACTION: Harry to review digital library use case [recorded
in [17]http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action03]
[17] http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action03
<scribe> ACTION: Fabien to review/reconsider digital library use
case [recorded in
[18]http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action04]
[18] http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action04
harryh: so we still need an XML Schema use case...?
DanC: I think the clinical data use case covers XML Schema; another
one would be nice, but not essential for 1st release.
... there are two cases Ben and I have discussed... I think it's ok
to defer them to later drafts...
<scribe> ACTION: FabienGandon to note that "Plus: ... " part of
scheduling use case #1 needs work, and ask Ben for help whenever he
becomes availble and drop it from the draft, meanwhile [recorded in
[19]http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action05]
[19] http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action05
<harryh> Chime is going to talk to danja
<harryh> to make sure Xforms use case works well with Atom, but
otherwise he's happy
poll: what to do between now and pub?
Harry: I think the digial lib use case needs work, and then it's
ready
<chimezie> FabienGandon (off topic) but *how* do you create those
diagrams? :)
<harryh> ACTION: Ryager to read draft thoroughly [recorded in
[20]http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action06]
[20] http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action06
DanC: I'd like to make a decision maybe next week, after having
somebody read it top-to-bottom this week
FabienGandon: we need an intro...
... [missed?]
... need help with seealso applications
<chimezie> pointers to 'see also'
<harryh> 2 more diagrams
FabienGandon: need help from BenA.
Harry: we don't need seealso pointers if there aren't apps
FabienGandon: the seealso pointers are brand new; I need to let
people know.
... feels like we're 2 weeks from shipping, to me
briansuda: looks pretty good; I'd like to go over it one time...
... in the review use case, there's some talk of switching to hotels
from guitars; I don't know if the primer has to exactly match...
Chime: need to check with danja about atomol, [missed], diagram for
clinical data use case
Harry: Dan, last week you were interested in an XML/XML-schema
primer?
DanC: yes, 2 audiences for primer stuff: microformats, XML/schema
data
... Chime, does the clinical data have namespace pointers?
Chime: yes... mostly HL7. Not URIs that cleveland clinic owns.
Harry: so this looks desireable, but I don't see commitment in the
form of immediate action. ok to skip XML/schema it for 1st draft
primer?
[yes]
[#issue-base-param]
<scribe> ACTION: DanC to enumerate options for base issue, pick one,
and propose it in the form of a test case [CONTINUES] [recorded in
[21]http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action07]
[21] http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action07
Danc: options include: (a) no specific mechanism, just use relative
URIs in and out
... (b) use the XSLT 2 base-something() function
... (c) use a GRDDL-specified Base param
... (a1) use xml:base and/or <base href="..." /> in the instance
Brian: hmm... consider the case of the tidy service... relative URIs
might not get the right treatment there
Chime: there's also the RSS case that Dom mentioned; I dind't
completely understand...
DanC: I think the norm in the RSS world is to have absolute URIs in
<link> elements
poll... preferred option
Chime: let's stick to existing XSLT 1 mechanisms. (a)
Brian: I'm currently relying on (c) in the case that (a) isn't
enough
FabienGandon: we're currently using a parameter in combination with
base
DanC: I have a mild preference for no new mechanism (a), but I'm not
sure yet.
FabienGandon: ah... I see the issue around stanrdizing the parameter
name now... I think I prefer that GRDDL doesn't specify a new
mechanism.
Harry: I don't want the parameter to override xml:base.
... and since xslt2 alreayd standadizes a base uri function, we
should mention that.
DanC: I think I'll make a test case with the xslt2 function too.
[#issue-whichlangs]
<scribe> ACTION: Harry to propose minimum set of transformation
formats that must be supported by grddl processors. [DONE] [recorded
in [22]http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action08]
[22] http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action08
->
[23]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2006Aug/0112
.html GRDDL and transformations (take 2)
[23] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2006Aug/0112.html
Harry: in sum: SHOULD support XSTL 1; MAY support others.
DanC: yes.
PROPOSED: to address [#issue-whichlangs] as per the current draft
(1.83 2006/08/25 20:23:09). SHOULD support XSLT 1; MAY support
others.
Chime: <?xml-stylesheet ?> introduces some ambiguity...
DanC: yes... we should be clear on that [I'll probably add a new
issue]
<scribe> ACTION: DanC to add issue for relationship to
<?xml-stylesheet ?> [recorded in
[24]http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action09]
[24] http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action09
<harryh> Harry: We need to add the media type story to GRDDL spec
<scribe> ACTION: Harry to draft some elaboration on how media types
work with GRDDL [recorded in
[25]http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action10]
[25] http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action10
<harryh> ACTION: Harry to write a few sentences on media type draft
and run by DanC [recorded in
[26]http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action11]
[26] http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action11
(oops; dup)
RESOLUTION: to address [#issue-whichlangs] as per the current draft
(1.83 2006/08/25 20:23:09). SHOULD support XSLT 1; MAY support
others.
"While javascript, C, or any other programming language technically
..."
[scribe got too involved in the discussion]
<scribe> ACTION: BenA to flesh out HTML RDF/A output of GRDDL use
cases [CONTINUES] [recorded in
[27]http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action12]
[27] http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action12
agenda points to [28]http://www.w3.org/TeamSubmission/grddl/ ...
[28] http://www.w3.org/TeamSubmission/grddl/
scribe: I'm editing [29]http://www.w3.org/2004/01/rdxh/spec
[29] http://www.w3.org/2004/01/rdxh/spec
<scribe> ACTION: Chime to suggest which conformance labels, if any,
the GRDDL spec should include [recorded in
[30]http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action13]
[30] http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action13
AJDOURN.
action -11
<scribe> ACTION:Harry to discuss with BenA and DanC the XML Schema
use-case in context of Creative Commons and OAI. See clarification
from DanC. [CONTINUES] [recorded in
[31]http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action14]
[31] http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action14
<scribe> ACTION:Danja to discuss wiki usecase, query usecase, and
e-learning usecase [DONE] [recorded in
[32]http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action15]
[32] http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action15
yeah... rephrase "how a GRDDL client interacts with a document whose
root element is an XSLT literal result element" to include xinclude
<harryh> \away off to dinner
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Chime to suggest which conformance labels, if any, the
GRDDL spec should include [recorded in
[33]http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action13]
[NEW] ACTION: DanC to add issue for relationship to <?xml-stylesheet
?> [recorded in
[34]http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action09]
[NEW] ACTION: Fabien to review/reconsider digital library use case
[recorded in
[35]http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: FabienGandon to note that "Plus: ... " part of
scheduling use case #1 needs work, and ask Ben for help whenever he
becomes availble and drop it from the draft, meanwhile [recorded in
[36]http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action05]
[NEW] ACTION: Harry to draft some elaboration on how media types
work with GRDDL [recorded in
[37]http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action10]
[NEW] ACTION: Harry to review digital library use case [recorded in
[38]http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: Ryager to read draft thoroughly [recorded in
[39]http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action06]
[33] http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action13
[34] http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action09
[35] http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action04
[36] http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action05
[37] http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action10
[38] http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action03
[39] http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action06
[PENDING] ACTION: BenA to flesh out HTML RDF/A output of GRDDL use
cases [recorded in
[40]http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action12]
[PENDING] ACTION: BrianS to discuss using guitar-buying for the
primer [recorded in
[41]http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action02]
[PENDING] ACTION: DanC to enumerate options for base issue, pick
one, and propose it in the form of a test case [recorded in
[42]http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action07]
[PENDING] ACTION: Harry to discuss with BenA and DanC the XML Schema
use-case in context of Creative Commons and OAI. See clarification
from DanC. [recorded in
[43]http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action14]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ian to discuss using meeting-scheduling for the
primer [recorded in
[44]http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action01]
[40] http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action12
[41] http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action02
[42] http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action07
[43] http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action14
[44] http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action01
[DONE] ACTION: Danja to discuss wiki usecase, query usecase, and
e-learning usecase [recorded in
[45]http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action15]
[DONE] ACTION: Harry to propose minimum set of transformation
formats that must be supported by grddl processors. [recorded in
[46]http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action08]
[45] http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action15
[46] http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action08
[End of minutes]
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