- From: Dan Connolly <connolly@w3.org>
- Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 16:41:41 -0500
- To: public-grddl-wg@w3.org
On Tue, 2006-08-08 at 16:42 +0100, Harry Halpin wrote: > Here's the agenda items for our meeting tomorrow: And here is the record for review. If you see anything that should be fixed, please note it in reply to this message (and copy the whole list, please). If it's a large change, I'll send another draft. Otherwise, your correction will be in the archive next to this one, and we'll note it in the minutes of the next meeting. In hypertext: http://www.w3.org/2006/08/09-grddl-wg-minutes and plain text: GRDDL Working Group 2006-08-09 9 Aug 2006 Attendees Present DanC, iand, chimezie, Ben_Adida, Rachael, FabienGandon, Danny, HarryH, Brian_Suda Regrets Chair Harry Scribe DanC Contents * Topics 1. Introductions and Request for New Agenda Items 2. Finding Best Time for Re-occuring Meetings 3. Concerns and issues with GRDDL submission 4. Brainstorming and solidifying use-cases 5. Editorial work, short term assignments 6. Scribe for next meeting * Summary of Action Items See also: IRC log ________________________________________________________________________ Introductions and Request for New Agenda Items DanC: I'm your W3C team contact. If the web site is broken or whatever, write to sysreq@w3.org and copy me, connolly@w3.org. I also do TAG and some research stuff. IanD: work for talis; author of Embedded RDF Chime: working at cleveland clinic; using XML, RDF, and XSLT for clinical research data Ben: finishing up a PhD at MIT on [mostly] unrelated stuff. more relevant to this group, I chair the RDF/XHTML task force, where we're developing RDFa, which is closely related Rachael: working on imaging technologies in Citigroup. Fabien: I'm researcher at INRIA in France... knowledge representation, conceptual graphs. We've been looking at RDF in wikis. DannyA: I'm a freelance developer/writer, mostly in semantic web stuff. I'm quite interested in Atom and microformats; interested to see where this GRDDL stuff goes Harry: I'm your chair; working at Univ. Edinburgh with Henry Thompson... interesting in XML mapping Brian: I've been working on microformats; I developed the XSLT to convert hCard to vCard, bit it could be converted to RDF just as well Finding Best Time for Re-occuring Meetings HH asks about this time (1930Z) vs 3 hours earlier (1630Z) <HarryH> Conflict 3 hours earlier scribe: vs 4 hours earlier (1530Z) <HarryH> No objections? Wednesday, August 16, 2006 at 15:00:00 UTC time Chicago * Wed 10:00 AM PROPOSED: to meet again Weds, August 16, 2006 at 15:00:00 UTC time so RESOLVED. HH: so let's try this for a week and see if it sticks as the regular time Concerns and issues with GRDDL submission <Zakim> DanC, you wanted to note a list of issues in the author's draft http://www.w3.org/2004/01/rdxh/spec DanC: The current spec is a mix of teaching document and specification. Many times I have had people read the document and yet not understand various parts of GRDDL, so it's evidently not very well presented. Perhaps better to have separate specification and Primer? IanD: Different sections for implementers and authors, perhaps... <iand> http://www.w3.org/2003/g/data-view <iand> the document at that uri is more like what I imagine the author part of the spec to be DannyA: how about just one document? Danc: well, we need one in /TR/ and I'd like the namespace/profile document to stay at http://www.w3.org/2003/g/data-view IanD: the profile document can reuse content from the specification DanC: yes, that seems ideal Brainstorming and solidifying use-cases Chime: a use case: extracting RDF from XForms [?] ... e.g. a guy building an XForm thing to edit data on his weblog engine ... so data like media types, posting address, etc. can be extracted from the XForm ... see also Baker's RDF Forms <chimezie> xforms:submission documentation http://www.w3.org/TR/xforms/slice3.html#structure-model-submission -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2006Jul/0014.html * Re: use case: semantic wikis (some pointers) Fabien Fabien: we've been looking at encoding wiki structure in RDF. tagging, too. ... we're using XHTML with RDFa to persist the data (DanC hopes wikipedia will go this way) <FabienGandon> SweetWiki (http://www-sop.inria.fr/acacia/soft/sweetwiki.html ) is a wiki that stores its pages directly in XHTML and RDF annotations are used to represent the wiki structure and are embedded in the wiki pages themselves using the RDFa ( http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/HTML/2005-rdfa-syntax ). This embedded RDF is extracted using a GRDDL XSLT stylesheet to provide semantic annotations dir <FabienGandon> ectly to the semantic search engine. Therefore, if someone sends a wiki page to someone else the annotations follow it, and if an application crawls the wiki site it can extract the metadata and reuse them. The RDF structure allows refactoring the wiki structure by editing the RDF annotations and the RDFS schemas they are based on it. Danny: consider somebody buying a guitar... ... suppose there's a service with aggregated instrument review data... ... the data could be aggregated from microformatted data using GRDDL ... using hReview ... you might be able to mix with hCards of your contacts ... and the aggregator should offer a SPARQL interface too ... this raises the issue that profile URIs aren't widely deployed in microformat documents <iand> sparql querying of html pages: http://xmlarmyknife.org/blog/archives/000285.html <briansuda> http://kitchen.technorati.com/review/search/ IanD: a couple use cases: (1) using SPARQL to query HTML pages; cf work by Leigh Dodds [sp?] <Zakim> DanC, you wanted to note our publication obligation and my hope to use a tutorial/use case document to meet it -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2006Aug/0010.html W3C Heartbeat requirement in SPARQL Bjoern Hoehrmann (Wednesday, 9 August) http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/weekly-agenda There was some discussion of using the ESW wiki, and setting expecatations appropriately. <iand> http://esw.w3.org/topic/GrddlResources <iand> http://esw.w3.org/topic/MicroModels I see http://esw.w3.org/topic/MicroModels ah... there's the one I was looking for http://esw.w3.org/topic/EmbeddingRDFinHTML <Zakim> benadida, you wanted to bring up the use case of outputing RDFa from GRDDL BenA: another use case: putting the RDF inline, so you get, for example, a calendar icon next to calendar items... ... one way to do that would be if GRDDL transformations would output XHTML with RDFa ... suppose I want just one meeting from a schedule of meetings; this suggests a way to get the RDF data that corresponds to just one part of the page. Editorial work, short term assignments <Zakim> FabienGandon, you wanted to ask if we will have three docs: a scenario gallery, a primer and a a tech spec. Fabien offered to do some writing [missed which part] was Chime the 2nd offer? Ian Davis offered to help re-structuring <HarryH> HarryH: Fabien offered to help with use-case gallery and primer <HarryH> HarryH: Chime offered to help use case and primer as well. <HarryH> HarryH: DanC fine with continuing to be lead on tech specs. Fabien: the SemWeb Best Practices WG, we had an applications/demos task force task forces.. using DOAP. Should se use DOAP/hDOAP in our use cases? DanC: that would make sense in some cases Harry: the microformat use cases are interesting to me too; I'm interested to work on those <scribe> ACTION: IanD to propose restructuring of current GRDDL doc(s) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/09-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action01] <scribe> ACTION: Chime to flesh out XForms/RDF use case [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/09-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action02] <scribe> ACTION: BenA to flesh out HTML output of GRDDL use cases [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/09-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action03] [?] <scribe> ACTION: Danny to flesh out hReview use case [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/09-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action04] [?] <danja> yep <danja> + I'll look into an atom use case <scribe> ACTION: Fabien to sketch out scenario gallery [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/09-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action05] <HarryH> ACTION: Harry to Microformat suite [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/09-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action06] DanC: feel free to use the esw to the extent that you're inclined, but do send mail when you reach some level of completion of your action Scribe for next meeting IanD: I'm out next week scribe for next week:Chime and IanD after taht Summary of Action Items [NEW] ACTION: BenA to flesh out HTML output of GRDDL use cases [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/09-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action03] [NEW] ACTION: Chime to flesh out XForms/RDF use case [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/09-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action02] [NEW] ACTION: Danny to flesh out hReview use case [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/09-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action04] [NEW] ACTION: Fabien to sketch out scenario gallery [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/09-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action05] [NEW] ACTION: Harry to Microformat suite [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/09-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action06] [NEW] ACTION: IanD to propose restructuring of current GRDDL doc(s) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/09-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action01] [End of minutes] ________________________________________________________________________ Minutes formatted by David Booth's scribe.perl version 1.127 (CVS log) $Date: 2006/08/09 21:38:05 $ -- Dan Connolly, W3C http://www.w3.org/People/Connolly/ D3C2 887B 0F92 6005 C541 0875 0F91 96DE 6E52 C29E
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