Re: [EXT] Line height in resources pointed to

Many thanks. I passed these comments along to DJ, who is leading the WCAG 3
group that is focusing on text appearance, including line height.

On Thu, Feb 13, 2025 at 10:03 AM Jennifer Strickland <jstrickland@mitre.org>
wrote:

> Also, Jeanne Spellman was the person who told me about the line-height
> decision, if that helps.
>
>
>
> *From: *r12a <ishida@w3.org>
> *Date: *Thursday, February 13, 2025 at 1:14 AM
> *To: *Julie Rawe <jrawe@understood.org>
> *Cc: *Jennifer Strickland <jstrickland@mitre.org>, Jan McSorley <
> mcsorleyjan@gmail.com>, public-global-inclusion@w3.org <
> public-global-inclusion@w3.org>, Jean Strohmier <jean.strohmier@gmail.com>,
> Katy Brickley <katy.brickley@kcl.ac.uk>, Andy <andydesignux@gmail.com>
> *Subject: *Re: [EXT] Line height in resources pointed to
>
> Sure. ri Julie Rawe 11 February 2025 at 18: 16 Hi, Ri and Jen, can I
> share this feedback with DJ, who is leading the WCAG 3 team that is
> developing guidelines for line height and other aspects of text appearance?
> On Tue, Feb 11, 2025 at 1: 07
>
> Sure.
> ri
>
>
> Julie Rawe <jrawe@understood.org>
>
> 11 February 2025 at 18:16
>
> Hi, Ri and Jen, can I share this feedback with DJ, who is leading the WCAG
> 3 team that is developing guidelines for line height and other aspects of
> text appearance?
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 11, 2025 at 1:07 PM Jennifer Strickland <jstrickland@mitre.org>
> wrote:
>
> Jennifer Strickland <jstrickland@mitre.org>
>
> 11 February 2025 at 18:06
>
> Hi Ri,
>
>
>
> I asked about this previously in AGWG and was told that the default has
> been to have users adjust line-height, as some other need there not to be
> as much spacing. Like you, I also prefer 1.5, yet there are magnifier users
> that prefer less. The 1.2 was a compromise between single and 1.5, I was
> told.
>
>
>
> Kindly,
> Jen
>
>
>
> *From: *r12a <ishida@w3.org> <ishida@w3.org>
> *Date: *Tuesday, February 11, 2025 at 12:45 PM
> *To: *Jan McSorley <mcsorleyjan@gmail.com> <mcsorleyjan@gmail.com>
> *Cc: *public-global-inclusion@w3.org <public-global-inclusion@w3.org>
> <public-global-inclusion@w3.org>, Jean Strohmier
> <jean.strohmier@gmail.com> <jean.strohmier@gmail.com>, Katy Brickley
> <katy.brickley@kcl.ac.uk> <katy.brickley@kcl.ac.uk>, Andy
> <andydesignux@gmail.com> <andydesignux@gmail.com>
> *Subject: *[EXT] Line height in resources pointed to
>
> I followed the link to the COGA Personas document (which is good), but
> found it quite difficult to read because the lines were so close together.
> The lines above and below tend to interfere with my reading of the current
> line.   Forgive me for
>
> I followed the link to the COGA Personas document (which is good), but
> found it quite difficult to read because the lines were so close together.
> The lines above and below tend to interfere with my reading of the current
> line.  Forgive me for not taking the time to look it up, but i'm trying to
> get some other stuff done, but felt like i ought to raise the issue.
>
> Line height is currently set to 1.2.  Is that the recommendation?  I am
> able to read much more comfortably if the line height is set to 1.5 or 1.6.
>
> By the way, line spacing requirements can be very different in non-Latin
> scripts.  I don't have data on specifically what the expected line heights
> would be for particular scripts, but i wonder whether it may be a useful
> exercise to see how the character heights tend to compare to Latin
> characters.  If you are interested, i suggest to go to
> https://r12a.github.io/scripts/switch.html
> <https://urldefense.us/v2/url?u=https-3A__r12a.github.io_scripts_switch.html&d=DwMDaQ&c=Al8V6E3U0yBSSEuVtdZbGtsvjPA49U3WmtZAsdW0D_Q&r=9YhmB_5SEixabDOvfR-id9wLtNqq8zm1GDKE6CqLIUY&m=QJLWsTXKCM_8lDwg2vAvGjAABGe9ZJMzt5tpRKVc_8_dfKTCjmN6MQMG51xYZpKU&s=m1OuG7cKgkunkLRGCsbDwYy7hYdYi6WKgcslaXy8kYM&e=>
> and use the pulldown to select the fragment id "Baselines, line height,
> etc.".  You can then select various orthographies using one of the select
> controls just above.  It may not, as i say, give useable data for line
> height preferences, but it may give you a feeling for relative glyph sizes
> that will help as background.
>
> Note, also that some scripts, like Thai, generally expect additional space
> between lines compared to Latin text, by convention.  And other scripts
> such as Japanese need space for annotations to occur over/below the line
> without changing the height of any given line.
>
> hth
> ri
>
>
> r12a <ishida@w3.org>
>
> 11 February 2025 at 17:43
>
> I followed the link to the COGA Personas document (which is good), but
> found it quite difficult to read because the lines were so close together.
> The lines above and below tend to interfere with my reading of the current
> line.  Forgive me for not taking the time to look it up, but i'm trying to
> get some other stuff done, but felt like i ought to raise the issue.
>
> Line height is currently set to 1.2.  Is that the recommendation?  I am
> able to read much more comfortably if the line height is set to 1.5 or 1.6.
>
> By the way, line spacing requirements can be very different in non-Latin
> scripts.  I don't have data on specifically what the expected line heights
> would be for particular scripts, but i wonder whether it may be a useful
> exercise to see how the character heights tend to compare to Latin
> characters.  If you are interested, i suggest to go to
> https://r12a.github.io/scripts/switch.html
> <https://urldefense.us/v2/url?u=https-3A__r12a.github.io_scripts_switch.html&d=DwMDaQ&c=Al8V6E3U0yBSSEuVtdZbGtsvjPA49U3WmtZAsdW0D_Q&r=9YhmB_5SEixabDOvfR-id9wLtNqq8zm1GDKE6CqLIUY&m=gQ64T1aTTUjBB6BY6CzD9GGES8U4WIaqNqqUA7intFGUsnVMrquf4Di6etiFqpDz&s=3FwB5gl9mZ6Ezivdtc3vNom6xW8y9xx4Vk7zdLlZdgU&e=>
> and use the pulldown to select the fragment id "Baselines, line height,
> etc.".  You can then select various orthographies using one of the select
> controls just above.  It may not, as i say, give useable data for line
> height preferences, but it may give you a feeling for relative glyph sizes
> that will help as background.
>
> Note, also that some scripts, like Thai, generally expect additional space
> between lines compared to Latin text, by convention.  And other scripts
> such as Japanese need space for annotations to occur over/below the line
> without changing the height of any given line.
>
> hth
> ri
>
>
>