Re: [EXT] Line height in resources pointed to

For situational awareness, I frequently make a copy of whatever document, adjust the styles so I can read it, and add comments. Then I use those comments to go back to the original document.

When I can I use Reader View to strip away the applied CSS and use the Reader View default.

It makes things take longer for me, which is why I don’t contribute as often.



From: Jennifer Strickland <jstrickland@mitre.org>
Date: Tuesday, February 11, 2025 at 1:22 PM
To: Julie Rawe <jrawe@understood.org>
Cc: r12a <ishida@w3.org>, public-global-inclusion@w3.org <public-global-inclusion@w3.org>
Subject: Re: [EXT] Line height in resources pointed to
That would be great!

From: Julie Rawe <jrawe@understood.org>
Date: Tuesday, February 11, 2025 at 1:18 PM
To: Jennifer Strickland <jstrickland@mitre.org>
Cc: r12a <ishida@w3.org>, Jan McSorley <mcsorleyjan@gmail.com>, public-global-inclusion@w3.org <public-global-inclusion@w3.org>, Jean Strohmier <jean.strohmier@gmail.com>, Katy Brickley <katy.brickley@kcl.ac.uk>, Andy <andydesignux@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [EXT] Line height in resources pointed to
Hi, Ri and Jen, can I share this feedback with DJ, who is leading the WCAG 3 team that is developing guidelines for line height and other aspects of text appearance? On Tue, Feb 11, 2025 at 1: 07 PM Jennifer Strickland <jstrickland@ mitre. org>

Hi, Ri and Jen, can I share this feedback with DJ, who is leading the WCAG 3 team that is developing guidelines for line height and other aspects of text appearance?

On Tue, Feb 11, 2025 at 1:07 PM Jennifer Strickland <jstrickland@mitre.org<mailto:jstrickland@mitre.org>> wrote:
Hi Ri,

I asked about this previously in AGWG and was told that the default has been to have users adjust line-height, as some other need there not to be as much spacing. Like you, I also prefer 1.5, yet there are magnifier users that prefer less. The 1.2 was a compromise between single and 1.5, I was told.

Kindly,
Jen

From: r12a <ishida@w3.org<mailto:ishida@w3.org>>
Date: Tuesday, February 11, 2025 at 12:45 PM
To: Jan McSorley <mcsorleyjan@gmail.com<mailto:mcsorleyjan@gmail.com>>
Cc: public-global-inclusion@w3.org<mailto:public-global-inclusion@w3.org> <public-global-inclusion@w3.org<mailto:public-global-inclusion@w3.org>>, Jean Strohmier <jean.strohmier@gmail.com<mailto:jean.strohmier@gmail.com>>, Katy Brickley <katy.brickley@kcl.ac.uk<mailto:katy.brickley@kcl.ac.uk>>, Andy <andydesignux@gmail.com<mailto:andydesignux@gmail.com>>
Subject: [EXT] Line height in resources pointed to
I followed the link to the COGA Personas document (which is good), but found it quite difficult to read because the lines were so close together.   The lines above and below tend to interfere with my reading of the current line.   Forgive me for
I followed the link to the COGA Personas document (which is good), but found it quite difficult to read because the lines were so close together.  The lines above and below tend to interfere with my reading of the current line.  Forgive me for not taking the time to look it up, but i'm trying to get some other stuff done, but felt like i ought to raise the issue.

Line height is currently set to 1.2.  Is that the recommendation?  I am able to read much more comfortably if the line height is set to 1.5 or 1.6.

By the way, line spacing requirements can be very different in non-Latin scripts.  I don't have data on specifically what the expected line heights would be for particular scripts, but i wonder whether it may be a useful exercise to see how the character heights tend to compare to Latin characters.  If you are interested, i suggest to go to https://r12a.github.io/scripts/switch.html<https://urldefense.us/v2/url?u=https-3A__r12a.github.io_scripts_switch.html&d=DwMDaQ&c=Al8V6E3U0yBSSEuVtdZbGtsvjPA49U3WmtZAsdW0D_Q&r=9YhmB_5SEixabDOvfR-id9wLtNqq8zm1GDKE6CqLIUY&m=QJLWsTXKCM_8lDwg2vAvGjAABGe9ZJMzt5tpRKVc_8_dfKTCjmN6MQMG51xYZpKU&s=m1OuG7cKgkunkLRGCsbDwYy7hYdYi6WKgcslaXy8kYM&e=> and use the pulldown to select the fragment id "Baselines, line height, etc.".  You can then select various orthographies using one of the select controls just above.  It may not, as i say, give useable data for line height preferences, but it may give you a feeling for relative glyph sizes that will help as background.

Note, also that some scripts, like Thai, generally expect additional space between lines compared to Latin text, by convention.  And other scripts such as Japanese need space for annotations to occur over/below the line without changing the height of any given line.

hth
ri

Jan McSorley<mailto:mcsorleyjan@gmail.com>
11 February 2025 at 16:32
Hi everyone,

Our next meeting is this Wednesday, February 12, 2025 at the following time:

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Agenda:
•         Review the new proposed structure<https://urldefense.us/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_document_d_12Vhha2F9NmcIdi3byrHnQAGORey2HhMHDwjdLrhYf48_edit-3Fusp-3Dsharing&d=DwMDaQ&c=Al8V6E3U0yBSSEuVtdZbGtsvjPA49U3WmtZAsdW0D_Q&r=9YhmB_5SEixabDOvfR-id9wLtNqq8zm1GDKE6CqLIUY&m=QJLWsTXKCM_8lDwg2vAvGjAABGe9ZJMzt5tpRKVc_8_dfKTCjmN6MQMG51xYZpKU&s=P48DFATNRkoMAdgF2GOZq_m38jGkZ7P6o7h9PLdYXhw&e=> for Making Content Usable and provide feedback.
•         Review Existing COGA Personas<https://urldefense.us/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.w3.org_TR_coga-2Dusable_-23persona&d=DwMDaQ&c=Al8V6E3U0yBSSEuVtdZbGtsvjPA49U3WmtZAsdW0D_Q&r=9YhmB_5SEixabDOvfR-id9wLtNqq8zm1GDKE6CqLIUY&m=QJLWsTXKCM_8lDwg2vAvGjAABGe9ZJMzt5tpRKVc_8_dfKTCjmN6MQMG51xYZpKU&s=y_2RnxhJwRlRamrk1En55z7qXYAOzBOOQCbbuakOmLI&e=> and discuss the following:
o    Are there improvements that can be made in terms of intersectionality?
o    Are there suggestions for names of existing personas that would better reflect an international audience?
•         Review feedback from Andy<https://urldefense.us/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_document_d_1YL1eK0z5pQbUkmdvJWa0pTV4JhkkWZ4dqwT7yIh7CpY_edit-3Fusp-3Dsharing&d=DwMDaQ&c=Al8V6E3U0yBSSEuVtdZbGtsvjPA49U3WmtZAsdW0D_Q&r=9YhmB_5SEixabDOvfR-id9wLtNqq8zm1GDKE6CqLIUY&m=QJLWsTXKCM_8lDwg2vAvGjAABGe9ZJMzt5tpRKVc_8_dfKTCjmN6MQMG51xYZpKU&s=Bid9HhxX9YDmDidFYVvQD12l13IOgd56FTnUUUvkzh4&e=>.
•         Discuss ideas for a new persona, as suggested by the i18n working group. They would like a persona of someone who is a non-native speaker with limited language skills?

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