- From: Phil Archer <phila@w3.org>
- Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 09:51:35 +0000
- To: auguste.atemezing@eurecom.fr
- CC: public-gld-wg@w3.org
Oh how delicious that you should ask this as part of a thread about long term stability, Ghislain. semic.eu is a classic case of a public sector project Web site, launched with all due fanfare... that is no longer available. I don't know when it was first published but it wasn't long ago (2 - 4 years I think). All the content has been moved to the new super-shiny Joinup platform, (http://joinup.ec.europa.eu) with not a 301 redirect in sight of course. I will (manually) update the wiki page... Phil. On 10/02/2012 09:35, auguste.atemezing@eurecom.fr wrote: > Hi Phil, > I wonder if the server of semi.eu is down. I was trying to access this > link [1] > from the People Wiki page [2] but I can not have access. > > The same error is happening with all the links to semi.eu on the Wiki page. > > > TIA > Ghislain > [1] http://www.semic.eu/semic/view/snav/Conformance.xhtml > [2] http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/People > >> Is it possible to seek the existence of some evidence that the issue >> has been thought about seriously? We have a stated policy [1] - sadly I >> can't find anything similar at dublincore.org or >> http://www.oasis-open.org. Hmmm... >> >> It's the intent we're after, not so much an actual number of years. >> There's no way of knowing whether the resolvability of, say, >> http://www.w3.org/ns/dcat#Catalog will have any meaning or relevance in >> 2112 any more than the gaslights my grandparents ready by 100 years ago >> do today. >> >> I like 'unbounded' - in reality I guess the boundary is one of relevance? >> >> Phil. >> >> [1] http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Persistence.html >> >> On 09/02/2012 20:57, Gillman, Daniel - BLS wrote: >>> Anne, >>> >>> Thanks. I am not sure persistence requires predictability. We just >>> need to know that data can be accessed. Though, I am willing to be >>> persuaded otherwise. :-) >>> >>> Dan >>> >>> >>> Dan Gillman >>> Bureau of Labor Statistics >>> Office of Survey Methods Research >>> 2 Massachusetts Ave, NE >>> Washington, DC 20212 USA >>> Tel +1.202.691.7523 >>> FAX +1.202.691.7426 >>> Email Gillman.Daniel@BLS.Gov >>> ----------------------------------------- >>> "Whatever it is, I'm against it! >>> No matter what it is or who commenced it, >>> I'm against it!" >>> ~ Groucho Marx >>> ------------------------------------------ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Anne Washington (GWMAIL) [mailto:annew@gwmail.gwu.edu] On >>> Behalf Of Anne L. Washington, PhD >>> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 3:06 PM >>> To: Ronald P. Reck >>> Cc: public-gld-wg@w3.org >>> Subject: Re: a "long period" for Stability >>> >>> +1 >>> >>> Dan, That would work! How about this: >>> >>> Persistence = predictable machine access unbounded by time. >>> >>> >>> It is however, a tall order. >>> But from a standards and conceptual point of view it works to avoid >>> any specific period of time. >>> >>> Thanks for asking the question Ron and thanks for the input Dan! >>> >>> >>> Anne L. Washington, PhD >>> Academic Work: George Mason University >>> Standards Work: W3C GLD working group >>> http://washington.gmu.edu/ >>> >>> On Thu, 9 Feb 2012, Ronald P. Reck wrote: >>> >>>> When it is logical through the addition of the word "unbounded" to >>>> "tighten up the definition", it sounds like the correct answer to me. >>>> >>>> >>>> +1 >>>> >>>> >>>> On 02/09/2012 02:26 PM, Gillman, Daniel - BLS wrote: >>>>> How about this? >>>>> Persistent data - data for which machine access is unbounded >>>>> >>>>> Dan >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Dan Gillman >>>>> Bureau of Labor Statistics >>>>> Office of Survey Methods Research >>>>> 2 Massachusetts Ave, NE >>>>> Washington, DC 20212 USA >>>>> Tel +1.202.691.7523 >>>>> FAX +1.202.691.7426 >>>>> Email Gillman.Daniel@BLS.Gov >>>>> ----------------------------------------- >>>>> "Whatever it is, I'm against it! >>>>> No matter what it is or who commenced it, I'm against it!" >>>>> ~ Groucho Marx >>>>> ------------------------------------------ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Ronald P. Reck [mailto:rreck@rrecktek.com] >>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 2:16 PM >>>>> To: public-gld-wg@w3.org >>>>> Subject: a "long period" for Stability >>>>> >>>>> As Anne W. pointed out to me in private communications, a common >>>>> definition of persistent sounds like this: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Persistent = Information is machine accessible for long periods of >>>>> time. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The problem I have with this is that "long periods" is a very >>>>> ambiguous concept on the web. I know we touched on this at the F2F >>>>> but I wish I knew how to tighten it up a bit. >>>>> >>>>> - long periods to data at my house is through 2 hard drive standards >>>>> (MFM/IDE/EIDE/SATA..) >>>>> - Long periods in the scope of the Internet is a couple decades...? >>>>> - Long periods to a person might mean a generation... >>>>> - Long periods of weather data could mean since the last ice age? >>>>> >>>>> Any formative comments about how I can rephrase "long periods" to >>>>> scope it better would be appreciated. >>>>> >>>>> -Ronald P. Reck >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> >> >> Phil Archer >> W3C eGovernment >> http://www.w3.org/egov/ >> >> http://philarcher.org >> +44 (0)7887 767755 >> @philarcher1 > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > This message was sent using EURECOM Webmail: http://webmail.eurecom.fr > > > -- Phil Archer W3C eGovernment http://www.w3.org/egov/ http://philarcher.org +44 (0)7887 767755 @philarcher1
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