- From: Phil Archer <phila@w3.org>
- Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2012 16:10:17 +0100
- To: Dave Reynolds <dave.e.reynolds@gmail.com>
- CC: W3C public GLD WG WG <public-gld-wg@w3.org>
Pls see below On 28/06/2012 16:10, Dave Reynolds wrote: > Hi Phil, > > Follow up from GLD call ... glancing at the ADMS document I noticed some > oddities that are reflected in the RDF [1]. > > Specifically, there are a number entities that look like aliases for > skos:Concept. For example: > > <rdf:Description rdf:about="&skos;Concept"> > <rdfs:label xml:lang="en">Asset Type</rdfs:label> > <rdfs:comment xml:lang="en" rdf:parseType="Literal">The > skos:Concept class fully represents the ADMS class of Asset Type (see > section on the <xh:a xh:href="#Code">Code</xh:a> datatype for > details).</rdfs:comment> > <vann:usageNote xml:lang="en">Used in ADMS to provide a > classification of a Semantic Asset according to a controlled vocabulary, > e.g. code list, metadata schema.</vann:usageNote> > <rdfs:isDefinedBy rdf:resource="&skosDoc;" /> > <dcterms:identifier>skos:Concept</dcterms:identifier> > </rdf:Description> > > With similar declarations for: "Code", "Interoperability Level", > "Representation Technique" and "Status". > > I suspect this is a slip and that the intention was to introduce actual > classes which would be sub-class (or equivalent-class) to skos:Concept. > > [If it's not a slip then this is a modelling style which I would prefer > us to avoid. It means that we are assigning alternative labels to > skos:Concept itself - which is problematic both technically and socially.] Thanks Dave, It's taken me too long to get to this but, well, I have now. It's a slip and it's not a slip - more of a compromise I'm very happy to change because I don't like it for all the reasons you give. I raised the issue back in November [1] (actually, I swear I've raised it more than once. I remember getting a reply from someone at Top Quadrant I hadn't heard of but I can't find it). The basic problem is that we're defining a vocabulary that uses other people's terms but that doesn't mean we don't have something to say about them. What I want to say here is: the way to encode the ADMS Asset Type is to use a skos:Concept. In his reply to my question, Jeremy said I could use sub properties/classes. Well, yes, I know that, but I really don't want to - I want to say *use skos:Concept*. JJC then said that if people didn't like whatever new labels were added, they didn't have to use them, which is true of course. The e-mail I can't find from another TQ person made the same point, i.e. you can say what you like and other people decide whether to take any notice. With this in mind I was slightly more ready to add new labels to existing classes although in my sign off from that thread [2] I expressed exactly the worry as you end with in almost the same terms ("...DCAT includes lots of Dublin Core elements so I'm anxious to do this in a way that is semantically and socially right.") But, if it is not right to add new labels to existing terms - and I agree entirely, I don't think it is - how can we proceed? I haven't updated the schema in w3.org space yet but I have prepared a version that I hope is better in this regard - although it still doesn't feel right [3]. The key bit is: <http://www.w3.org/2004/02/skos/core#Concept> rdfs:label "Concept"@en ; rdfs:comment """The skos:Concept class fully represents the following ADMS classes: - Asset Type - Code - Interoperability Level - Representation Technique - Status In each case, the use of a Concept from a suitable Concept Scheme will provide a suitable value from a controlled vocabulary. In the particular case of the ADMS data type of Code, the intention is that the skos:Concept class be used as follows: - for the content property, use skos:notation - the ADMS list property will be taken care of by means of the skos:inScheme property; - the list agency property is likely to be applied to the scheme as a whole for which dcterms:creator is appropriate; - the list version property can be fulfilled using schema:version.""" ; rdfs:isDefinedBy <http://www.w3.org/TR/skos-reference/> ; dcterms:identifier skos:Concept . Is that a better way of re-using an existing term in a new, formally-defined vocabulary? Phil. [1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/semantic-web/2011Nov/0150.html [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/semantic-web/2011Dec/0003.html [3] http://philarcher.org/isa/adms20120731.rdf > > [1] http://www.w3.org/ns/adms.rdf > > -- Phil Archer W3C eGovernment http://www.w3.org/egov/ http://philarcher.org +44 (0)7887 767755 @philarcher1
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