- From: Rich Tibbett <richt@opera.com>
- Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 15:08:52 +0000
- To: public-geolocation@w3.org
On lun., 2014-01-13 at 12:13 +1100, Rob Manson wrote: > Hi, > > we've been doing a lot of R&D and testing across the different browser > using the DeviceOrientation API recently as part of the preparation for > releasing our Augmented Web open source library (see > https://github.com/buildar/awe.js) > > You can see a video here of the DeviceOrientation/Geolocation based AR > demo working in Firefox 26 on Android. > > http://youtu.be/OJHgBSRJNJY > > Our awe.js library is designed to make it easy for anyone to create > Augmented Web applications like this and as you can see this now > provides just as good a user experience as any of the mainstream > dedicated AR browsers for geolocation based AR (more to come soon). > > However, our testing has shown that the browser implementations are > quite different from what is defined in the spec. Below is a detailed > description of what we have found, along with a few questions and > recommendations. > > I'll look forward to hearing your feedback 8) FYI, I previously raised this issue on this list @ http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-geolocation/2012Jun/0000.html In that email I proposed a series of (manual) tests that could be used to check the calibration of device orientation across vendor implementations. I coded up an in-browser 3d compass implementation that could act as a useful calibration test for Device Orientation implementations @ https://github.com/richtr/Marine-Compass That implementation is based on the calibration of Device Orientation found in Opera Mobile 12.1 which was implemented according to the calibration described in the draft Device Orientation spec. Opera Mobile 12.1 is available as a download from http://www.opera.com/mobile/download/versions/ in case you want to test this out :) I think the specification could benefit from more visual feedback to developers (e.g. photos, diagrams and/or spatial graphs/charts would be very helpful) to understand how device orientation values should return as a device travels through a series of selected reference planes. It may be worth revisiting that thread in relation to your research. Thank you for posting your findings. - Rich T > > PS: Apologies for the long email but there is a lot of information and > test results to cover. I hope you find it clear and useful. We've tried > to be as detailed and thorough as possible. > > roBman > > > NOTE: All comments about the spec are referencing "W3C Working Draft 1 > December 2011" published here http://www.w3.org/TR/orientation-event/ > > alpha > In the spec this is defined as rotation around the z axis of the > device's coordinate frame. However, in Safari on iOS devices and Chrome, > Firefox and Opera on Android devices this has been implemented as > "rotation around the Z axis of the Earth's coordinate frame". Basically > alpha is the digital compass heading, and in reality as a developer this > is a much more useful and pragmatic choice. > > Where the spec states: > "1. Rotate the device frame around its z axis by |alpha|degrees, with > |alpha|in [0, 360)." > > The real implementations are: > "1. Rotate the device frame around the Earth's Z axis by |alpha|degrees, > with |alpha|in [0, 360]." > > e.g. I can spin my devices 180deg around their z axis (spin it upside > down) but alpha still equals 0 when the back of the device is pointed to > North. > > recommendation > Perhaps we should just accept that this is what has been universally > implemented and update the spec to reflect that. If in the worst case > the spec's "rotation around the z axis of the device's coordinate frame" > were to be "enforced" then at least the spec should be extended to allow > this compass style "rotation around the Z axis of the Earth's coordinate > frame" so we don't lose this already implemented and useful data. In > effect this is really what Safari's webkitCompassHeading is (excluding > the alpha inversion to make it match wgs84's compass heading values). > > > beta > In the spec this is defined as rotation around the x axis of the > device's coordinate frame. However, only Firefox on Android seem to have > implemented this correctly. All the other main mobile browsers (Safari > on iOS and Chrome and Opera on Android) have implemented this as ranging > from +90 to -90 where 0 is the screen parallel to the Earth's ground > plane with the screen facing up, +90 is with the screen perpendicular to > the ground plane with the top of the screen at the top, and -90 is with > the screen perpendicular to the ground plan with the top of the screen > at the bottom (e.g inverted). So it seems like all the blink/webkit > browsers share the same bug/misinterpretation. I'd speculate they have > accidentally used the gamma range as defined in the spec...but more > about that below. > NOTE - Even the Safari documentation has these swapped - see "beta > discussion" and "gamma discussion" vs the spec: > https://developer.apple.com/library/safari/documentation/SafariDOMAdditions/Reference/DeviceOrientationEventClassRef/DeviceOrientationEvent/DeviceOrientationEvent.html > > comment > I'll raise this as a bug with the blink and webkit communities once I've > received some initial feedback from this working group. > > > gamma > In the spec this is defined as "half" the rotation around the y axis for > the device's coordinate frame. Again, Firefox on Android are the only > browser to implement what is defined in the spec. Chrome and Opera range > from -90 to 270 where 0 is the screen parallel to the ground plane > facing up and -90/270 is with the screen facing to the left. Safari on > iOS devices range from 180 to -180 where 0 is the screen parallel to the > ground plane facing up, rotates from 0 to -180 to the left and 0 to 180 > to the right with 180/-180 facing down. > > question > Why was gamma only specified to be aware of half the world? (e.g. only > 90 to -90 or more clearly "relationship to up and relationship to > down"). When this is implemented as specified it is impossible to tell > if the device is facing forwards at 45deg or backwards at 45deg around > this axis. So in our AR example listed at the top, we are forced to > abandon up/down adjustment of the virtual camera based on gamma if the > device is in landscape mode. > NOTE - If you look at the CMAttitude class in objective-c this > limitation is not implied. And all of the IMU specs I could find also > seem to return a full 360deg in all 3 axes. > > recommendation > Update the spec to make gamma range from 180 to -180 just like beta is > specified to. Since most of the browsers need to fix this anyway, now > seems like a good time to make this change 8) > > comment > I'll raise this as a bug with the blink and webkit communities once I've > received some initial feedback from this working group on the > recommendation above. > > > absolute > Safari on iOS always seems to return absolute as undefined. If anyone > has seen a case where this value was returned I'd like to know, > otherwise I'm happy to raise this as a bug with them. > > > > SUMMARY: > The spec at http://www.w3.org/TR/orientation-event/ says: > > East -> X > North -> Y > Up -> Z > > alpha (around Z): 0 to 360 (0 North) > beta (around X): -180 to 180 (0 Up) > gamma (around Y): -90 to 90 (0 Up) > absolute: boolean > > > And here are the results from our testing: > safari > alpha: 0 to 360 (0 roughly North) > beta: 0 screen up, 90 screen top perpendicular to ground plane, -90 > screen inverted > gamma: 0 screen up, rotates from 0 to -180 to the left and 0 to 180 to > the right (180/-180 down) > absolute: undefined > result: > Seems like beta/gamma have been swapped and absolute not implemented. > > chrome > alpha: 0 to 360 (0 roughly North) > beta: 0 screen up, 90 screen top perpendicular to ground plane, -90 > screen inverted > gamma: 0 screen up, rotates from -90 to 270 (to the left) > absolute: true > result: > Seems like beta/gamma have been swapped and gamma has not implemented as > specified. > > opera > alpha: 0 to 360 (0 roughly North) > beta: 0 screen up, 90 screen top perpendicular to ground plane, -90 > screen inverted > gamma: 0 screen up, rotates from -90 to 270 (to the left) > absolute: true > result: > Seems like beta/gamma have been swapped and gamma has not implemented as > specified. > > firefox > alpha: 0 to 360 (0 roughly North) > beta: 0 screen up, rotates from 0 to -180 (-90 screen top up) and 0 to > 180 (90 screen top down) > gamma: 0 screen up, rotates from 0 to -90 and back again to the right > and 0 to 90 and back again to the left > absolute: true > result: > Standards compliant - but would be better if gamma ranged from 180 to -180. >
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