- From: John Morris <jmorris@cdt.org>
- Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 10:36:45 -0700
- To: public-geolocation@w3.org
- Cc: Alissa Cooper <acooper@cdt.org>
We would like to raise - for discussion both on the list and at the
London face-to-face - the critical need to address privacy within the
context of any specification that this WG generates. Based on the
initial spec, it appears that the privacy of the location information
conveyed in accordance with the spec is being treated separately from
the conveyance of the information itself. Some of the list
discussions suggest that that privacy controls associated with the
location information should be handled independently by the UI. And,
as the privacy and security considerations section of the spec is
blank, we're guessing that privacy controls are assumed to be handled
elsewhere or at best later.
If we are correctly perceiving the situation, we think that this
approach - of deferring the bulk of the effort to address the privacy
issues until some future time or place - is very problematic. We
fear that it will increase risk to privacy, and will be inconsistent
with (and could undermine) the work being done in other standards
bodies (most notably the Geopriv effort at the IETF).
Before trying to start a substantive discussion of privacy issues,
let me briefly provide background on where I (John) am coming from,
and more broadly on the IETF Geopriv effort. I serve as the director
of the "Internet Standards, Technology & Policy Project" of the
Center for Democracy & Technology, a public policy/think tank based
in Washington, D.C. I've been active at the IETF and (to a lesser
extent) at W3C since 2001, working to ensure that public policy
concerns are not overlooked or harmed in technical standards setting
processes. CDT has been a member of the W3C since 1997, working on
activities ranging from the P3P WG years ago to the newly created
"open government" effort. Also joining me on this WG (and I hope at
the London f2f) is CDT's CTO, Alissa Cooper.
The history of the IETF Geopriv working group is, we think, relevant
to the question of when and how this WG addresses privacy. Some
folks here are active in Geopriv, but we suspect that others may be
less familiar with the background.
When discussions in the IETF about standardizing location conveyance
first began nearly a decade ago, there were a number of BOFs and
proposed WGs (such as the "spatial" effort) that sought to
standardize location conveyance without fully addressing the privacy
concerns raised by such conveyance. After a fair bit of angst and
debate, the IETF concluded that any standard to convey location MUST
address privacy as an integral part of the standard. This decision
led to the 2001 creation of Geopriv, which has made much progress
since then (notwithstanding some initial continuing resistance to
really addressing privacy). The key Geopriv documents are at
http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/geopriv-charter.html. Geopriv
anticipates that there will be a "using protocol" that will actually
carry the Geopriv information -- Geopriv carried over XML is shown at
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4119.txt among other documents. A quick
read giving an overview of Geopriv and discussing its adoption in
other standards contexts is available at
http://www.cdt.org/publications/20070100ieee.pdf.
The core decision that underlies the Geopriv effort is that any piece
of location information MUST be inextricably bound together with the
privacy rules that apply to the location info. Thus, for example,
the same envelope that carries location also carries rules about how
long the location info can be retained, and whether it can be
retransmitted. In addition to basic rules carried within the Geopriv
envelope, the spec also allows for a pointer to more robust rules
(some of which are being defined within Geopriv).
Let us raise and confront one issue that prompted a great deal of
discussion and debate within the Geopriv effort. Some argued that it
was pointless to bind location rules to location because there was no
way - as a technical matter - to ensure that the recipient of the
rules would honor those rules. Because Geopriv can be used in
context where encryption is not feasible, one could do nothing to
"guarantee" that the recipient would play nice. The answer to this
concern is that privacy is an area in which technology must look to
local laws to enforce privacy expectations - in other words,
technical standards cannot in fact "guarantee" privacy, but by
inextricably binding privacy rules to location (as Geopriv does), the
standard can make it much harder for anyone to claim that they did
not know that they were not meant to pass on the location information.
We are hopeful that Geopriv can provide a starting point for the
handling of location privacy within this WG. We think it would be
very helpful for this group to establish a direct formal liaison with
Geopriv, and for us to invite one or two folks from that effort to
the London meeting (in addition to the people who already overlap in
the two groups). We look forward to working with everyone on these
issues.
John Morris & Alissa Cooper
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John B. Morris, Jr.
Director, Internet Standards, Technology
& Policy Project
Center for Democracy and Technology
1634 I Street NW, Suite 1100
Washington, DC 20006
(202) 637-9800
(202) 637-0968 fax
jmorris@cdt.org
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