- From: John Boyer <boyerj@ca.ibm.com>
- Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 16:22:36 -0800
- To: "T.V Raman" <raman@google.com>
- Cc: public-forms@w3.org
- Message-ID: <OFC28A09AC.5817F34A-ON882574FD.007879DF-882574FF.00021255@ca.ibm.com>
Hi Raman, I appreciate where you're coming from, Raman. If I may summarize, you believe the spec is an excellent piece of work but that it is the naming which may cause problems due to the preexisting web forms 2.0 specification. I agree there is less than an ideal circumstance at play here, though I maintain that it is possible to get the whole problem turned around and that, if we do manage to do so, then the "WebFormsA" spec will indeed be appropriately named as it will represent a merge of the ideation of Web Forms 2.0 and the architecture of XForms. It is by no means certain that we would even get this short name approved, but one goal I have for this name is that, if we get it approved, it will be a significant message that will light the path of how to consolidate our efforts with those of HTML5. Of course, this is not the only reason. I would reiterate that we are appropriately naming the specification, modulo what other names may have been given to other specs in the past. The name is actually important to communicating to the wider community what technical space we are addressing with this specification and how it relates to the charter mission and deliverables of the group. We have to not only satisfy our charter, but be seen doing so. Moreover, we need to make the rubber meet the road by delivering this technology across the important web browsers, which is of course what it takes to get from working draft to proposed recommendation. This will drive interest and adoption from the wider web community, which will come full circle with helping us to consolidate our efforts with those of the HTML5 group. In other words, while I quite agree with you that this approach is not risk-free, I also believe it is the path that has the best chance of succeeding on all W3C objectives, from on-ramping web authors to XForms through driving broader adoption of our technology, all the way to making it possible for the Forms WG to work together with the HTML5 group to lead the web to its full potential. In the end, though, the working group does still have to resolve to publish this specification as a FPWD, and while I have done my best to advocate for the "WebFormsA" path, there are other names too, and if the end result is that the working group as a whole is persuaded to adopt another name, then the record will still reflect that I did my best to advocate a path I believed in, and I'll still do my part to make the best out of any outcome. So, I hope we will be able to get a resolution to go to FPWD this week or at the latest next week. I will ask the group to decide this week, but we may have a delay due to further technical considerations. I can raise the naming issue again as part of the discussion. Hopefully, when the working group resolves to request FPWD, the name choice will actually be the best choice, whichever name it is. Meanwhile, I would like to ask you to please continue to consider my advocacy above for the WebFormsA name; maybe it will be enough to change your mind, but I am hoping that at least you will have some additional optimism about the possibility for a positive outcome even if the current name is retained the FPWD request. And no matter what, you have my best regards. John M. Boyer, Ph.D. STSM, Interactive Documents and Web 2.0 Applications Chair, W3C Forms Working Group Workplace, Portal and Collaboration Software IBM Victoria Software Lab E-Mail: boyerj@ca.ibm.com Blog: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/blogs/page/JohnBoyer Blog RSS feed: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/blogs/rss/JohnBoyer?flavor=rssdw From: "T.V Raman" <raman@google.com> To: John Boyer/CanWest/IBM@IBMCA Cc: public-forms@w3.org Date: 11/10/2008 09:10 AM Subject: Marathon crank of WebFormsA; should be ready for FPWD decision this week Just a heads-up that I'll formally object to the name that John has placed on this spec. John Boyer writes: -- Best Regards, --raman Title: Research Scientist Email: raman@google.com WWW: http://emacspeak.sf.net/raman/ Google: tv+raman GTalk: raman@google.com, tv.raman.tv@gmail.com PGP: http://emacspeak.sf.net/raman/raman-almaden.asc
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