Re: RFC: tent.io (protocol for social networking)

On 24 September 2012 18:45, Daniel Harris <daniel@kendra.org.uk> wrote:

> On 24 Sep 2012, at 16:54, Melvin Carvalho wrote:
> > On 24 September 2012 17:35, Michiel de Jong <michiel@unhosted.org>
> wrote:
> >> On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 5:01 PM, Daniel Harris <daniel@kendra.org.uk>
> wrote:
> >>> I feel our model has to cater for multiple namespaces for contacts.
> Can it? Can we create an meta namespaces-for-contacts wrapper?
> >>
> >> yes, this is exactly what i mean when i say one namespace. i mean one
> >> 'meta wrapper'. useraddress.net aims to be a search tool that can
> >> support that meta wrapper. it supports webfinger/OStatus as well as
> >> facebook, twitter, diaspora, friendica, and i want it to support
> >> xmpp/buddycloud too.
> >
> > Your interop possibilities are only as strong as your identifiers.
> >
> > Consider a telephone network in berlin.  Everyone has a phone and
> everyone in berlin can call everyone else.  Everyone is happy.  A few
> people in Hamburg get a telephones too, they are happy.  Now someone from
> Hamburg wants to call someone in Berlin and says, "what's your area code?".
>  In Berlin they say, "we dont need an area code, our system works just
> fine.  Come to Berlin and join us".  The Hamburg person says, "I want to
> stay in Hamburg, cant we just all have an area code".   After much
> discussion every german district gets an area code and you can get german
> phone calls.   Now what happens when someone from the UK wants to call
> someone from Germany.  You need the whole reworking of identifiers again.
>  Identifiers are the key to interop.  It's the same on the social web and
> FSW.  Everyone thinks their system works fine, but silos will *never* scale
> beyond themselves, interop is impossible.  You only will find this out once
> you try and "call" another system and it fails.
> >
> > Case in point.  I think useraddress.net is an awesome initiative.  But
> it's got the HTTP URIs wrong for both me and tim, which gives incorrect
> semantics, incorrect comparison and incorrect interop.  And yes I have
> raised the issue on github.
>
> Where? What the exact comment/thread – so I can see?
>
> > How long will it take to fix, I dont know ... perhaps never.  It's small
> details like this that prevent intercomm.  Historically getting these
> little details right, for whatever reason, in the FSW takes months and
> years, rather than hours and days.  Any plan to speed things up would be
> welcome!
>
> Melvin and Michiel: I am not technical in the sense that I can fix this.
> But there has to be a solution. I don't believe a permanent impasse is
> possible. For my indulgence, imagine you had no other responsibilities
> other than to work on this problem. How long would it take to fix? Or is it
> something you can't fix on your own? Who else do you need? If you don't
> know them by name can you describe the kind of people you need to crack the
> nut? Who could do it? If it's not people but something else then let me
> know too.
>

In the case of my homepage you need to add #me (I am not a homepage).  In
the case of Tim's add #i