Re: web standards project article

Dear Molly and Bjoern
and others people of the list,

I have just read all your comments after 4 days off-the-list. I think 
that the people on the list are demonstrating a good sense of community 
and it's worthwhile the effort. Sometimes, we get hurt, sometimes we 
say or send something without thinking too much about it, and the 
debate is getting (unnecessary?) hot. Anyway. I like the spirit of the 
list, because people are able to discuss.

Le 29 oct. 2004, à 18:10, Bjoern Hoehrmann a écrit :
> * Molly E. Holzschlag wrote:
>> Quite frankly, Bjoern, it's precisely that kind of elitism that turns 
>> off
>> the rest of the world to standards.  It's sad, and it's irresponsible.
>
> No, sorry Molly, but what turns people off is hearing a lot of 
> different
> things on the same matters from different people. If you say "semantic
> markup is an implied goal, not even a measure of compliance" and I say
> the opposite people get confused and disappointed as they perceive web
> standards to be too difficult to understand and get lost lacking proper
> guidance as they would no longer know whom they should listen to.

No elitism here. And you make both a valid point. There are no stupid 
questions on this list. If we feel that a question is coming too often, 
we (the mailing-list) have to document it.

Don't forget also that W3C is also a consensus organization, and that 
standards are established by debate and discussions about the benefits 
of this and that. Standards are not perfect as well, because we are not 
perfect. They are written by humans ;) At least, I hope :)))

The review of “candid” people is essential and I encourage everyone to 
comment on the mailing-lists when something might surprise them. If you 
are a user of SOAP, or XSLT, or XHTML, etc. You should look at the new 
Working Drafts and try to send comments if you can. That might be 
difficult sometimes. :) I didn't say that would be necessary easy.

Ok enough blah blah. :))) I'm sending another mail with the ideas which 
have emerged at the beginning of this thread.



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Karl Dubost - http://www.w3.org/People/karl/
W3C Conformance Manager
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