- From: Prevosto, Laurent <LPrevosto@t-systems.fr>
- Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 12:25:15 +0200
- To: "'public-evangelist@w3.org'" <public-evangelist@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <7986154608ECD21189100008C7BB8EAC0A4DA57E@exchangeldf.la_defense.siris.fr>
In order to please a few people :-), i am posting here a few comments concerning the web-agency requirements document (http://www.w3.org/QA/2002/07/WebAgency-Requirements). I've seen from the list archive that there has always been answers and i propably haven't read all of them, so forgive me if some of my comments have already been made. 1. About "open" standards Is it necessary to emphasize that much on the *open* side of the standards ? Isn't "standards" by itself self-explanatory ? I understand that it's all about distinguishing vendor standards and de facto standards from free standards but who would really dare to call HTML a la Microsoft a true standard ? Nobody would in my opinion and developpers are not that stupid. I think that more than the openness of standards, one should insit on the standards period, and the standards, concerning Xnet technologies, are those from the W3C : HTML, XHTML, etc. At that point one can point out that they are also open standards, which means not being tied-up to a specific software vendor, global adoptions by the software community and the vendors (which all take part to the standardization process), etc. 2. About the client of the web-agency Since it's a document aimed at people managing external people from service companies, it's extremely important, i think, to emphasize on the fact that relying on standards (by the way, why ommitting ecmascript and the DOM - anyway, are we priviledging accessibility or standards...) means easier takeover of the developments by the client and easier modifications in the future if necessary. It's much more easier to reverseenginneer a development that is both clean and developped following clear and well-established rules based on public specifications than bloatware. Consequently, you're not dependent on your supplier in case of future evolutions. 3. About web-agency themselves Should notions such as XML or XQL appear in a document aimed at framing a web-agency ? HTML, yes, CSS, yes, the rest no. Or we're talking about a broader article that concerns all new technologies project managers : using XML doesn't automatically mean doing Web. I would not have a "webization of IBM mainframe legacy" project realized by a "web-agency" :-) 4. About javascript There is no mention of Ecmascript nor DOM. Once again, i feel like undergoing some WAI dictatorship. And this is truly harmful because i think one of the biggest concerns of industrial web developments actually is javascript. And who really cares about full-compliant XHTML when it comes with 500 lines of ununderstandable and inmaintenable javascript ? In fact, rather than ignoring it, i think it is really important to point out what good javascript should be (while noticing than javascript is not a goal by itself and that a well realized web site should be functionnal even if javascript is off). Conclusion : positionning of the document But more than that, i find the positionning of the article a bit awkward : i can't really figure out who it is meant for... it's talking about web-agencies, but it's also talking about XQL or XML-Schema which is, in my opinion, off-topic; it sings the praises of standards but they are only seen through the eye of the WAI. I would have prefered a true article about the WAG, their interest and the ways of following their requirements, rather than an article that relies on the industrial interests of standards and just uses them to do WAI lobbying. Voilą Regards laurent
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