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RE: conceptGroups in iso-thes

From: Johan De Smedt <johan.de-smedt@tenforce.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 14:22:59 +0200
To: <katell.briatte@culture.gouv.fr>
Cc: <public-esw-thes@w3.org>
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Hi Katell,


Thanks for pointing out the possible confusion in the comment.


Kind Regards,


Johan De Smedt 

From: BRIATTE Katell [mailto:katell.briatte@culture.gouv.fr] 
Sent: Thursday, 17 October, 2013 14:10
To: Johan De Smedt
Cc: public-esw-thes@w3.org
Subject: Re: conceptGroups in iso-thes


Hi Johan,

Now I understand that I can manage all my ConceptGroups in the same way. The only difference is that, for the Microthesaurus type, I can specialize the skos:inScheme property with a iso-thes:microThesaurusOf property. Isn't it ?
The "Correspondence between ISO 25964 and SKOS/SKOS ‐ XL Models" document was not so clear : the comment suggested that on one hand, there was an iso-thes:ConceptGroup (untyped) with a typed property (iso-thes:microThesaurusOf) and on the other hand, a subclass of iso-thes:conceptGroup (typed) with an untyped property (skos:inScheme), so a double differentiation in treatment :-)

Thanks a lot for this clarification,

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Sujet: Re: conceptGroups in iso-thes
De : Johan De Smedt  <mailto:johan.de-smedt@tenforce.com> <johan.de-smedt@tenforce.com>
Pour : katell.briatte@culture.gouv.fr
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Date : Jeudi 17 Octobre 2013 13:20:06

Hi Katell,


Managing all concept groups in the same way is possible (unless I miss-understood your remark).

However, ConceptGroups and ConceptScheme are disjoint (in RDF and OWL semantics).


1) According ISO 25964, concept groups are NOT Thesaurus ‘like’.

    Therefore, they are not modeled sub-classes of the class skos:ConceptScheme.

    In general one can imagine that “some” concept groups (like Micro-Thesaurus) are thesaurus ‘like’ but not all concept groups have that similarity.


2) ISO 25964 does not formally give a classification (or sub-typing) of concept groups.

   Typing is done via a literal property: giving examples like "microthesaurus", "theme", or "subject category"

    So ISO 25864 does not formally specify what a micro-thesaurus is – giving some freedom to thesaurus managers.


3) In the ISO 25964 – SKOS correspondance <http://www.niso.org/schemas/iso25964/correspondencesSKOS/>  document [1], the microthesaurus is modeled as an iso-thes:ConceptGroup (also a skos:Collection), like any other concept group.

     In general, skos:inScheme is adviced to be used on all modeled entities  (concept, group, array).

     In addition, one specific and one custom specialization are advised:

    a) the iso-thes specific specialization allows formalizing the “MicroThesaurus” typing by means of the property iso-thes:microThesaurusOf which is a sub-property of skos:inScheme.

    b) the advised custom specialization is to make a thesaurus specific sub-class of iso-thes:ConceptGroup.

    examples of custom classes may be: 

        myScheme:Domain, myScheme:Microthesaurus, myScheme:Theme, myScheme:SubjectCategory, … (as is practical and convenient)


Exports of any concept group (for UNESCO or EUROVOC, Domain as well as Micro-Thesaurus could be a group), should include the concept group URI (e.g. myScheme:myGroupX ) and the skos:inScheme.

   myScheme:myGroupX  a   skos:Collection ,   iso-thes:ConceptGroup ,  myScheme:MyConceptGroupType  .

   myScheme:myGroupX  skos:inScheme   myScheme:myThesaurus  .

In case the concept Group is a micro thesaurus, the following additional statement should be made:

   myScheme:myGroupX  iso-thes:microThesaurusOf   myScheme:myThesaurus  .


Note: In the above text, any token starting with ‘my’ (myScheme, MyConceptGroupType, myGroupX, myThesaurus) is custom (not in scope of skos, skos-xl or iso-thes).



[1] http://www.niso.org/schemas/iso25964/correspondencesSKOS


Kind Regards,


Johan De Smedt 

Chief Technology Officer


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From: BRIATTE Katell [mailto:katell.briatte@culture.gouv.fr] 
Sent: Thursday, 17 October, 2013 11:17
To: Johan De Smedt
Cc: public-esw-thes@w3.org
Subject: conceptGroups in iso-thes


Hi Johan,

I wonder why a ConceptGroup is handled differently as it is a Microthesaurus or another type of grouping.Is there some inconvenience in treating all the ConceptGroups in the same way, namely as sub-properties of skos:ConceptScheme ?
We are currently implementing SKOS exports with iso-thes:ConceptGroup in the next release of GINCO (https://github.com/culturecommunication/ginco). It would be easier and more consistent to manage all groups of concepts in the same way. What do you think about it?

Kind regards,


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