- From: Antoine Isaac <aisaac@few.vu.nl>
- Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 23:12:17 +0100
- To: Richard Cyganiak <richard@cyganiak.de>
- CC: Bernard Vatant <bernard.vatant@mondeca.com>, Pat Hayes <phayes@ihmc.us>, SKOS <public-esw-thes@w3.org>
Hi Richard, (by the way thanks for the summary, Bernard!) > Thanks for summing up the thread so nicely! And apologies for anyone who > might be bored by this thread by now ... > > So you have me convinced that my skos:Concept labelled "Michelle Obama" > is a "library business object" which is a different entity from Michelle > Obama the living person. It follows that an owl:sameAs statement between > the skos:Concept and the foaf:Person is inappropriate, because it > conflates creation dates of different entities. > > On 12 Nov 2009, at 15:13, Bernard Vatant wrote: >> OTOH, looking with librarian glasses on, DBpedia entries are also >> somehow "concepts", since they could also bear Dublin Core stuff like >> the first version of DBpedia in which they have been published, number >> of related DBpedia concepts ... or any librarian workflow record of >> the same kind. In this case, Richard could assert a skos:exactMatch >> relationship between his entry and the DBpedia one. > > I'm intrigued. So could I say the following: > > <http://mydataset/433256> > a skos:Concept; > skos:closeMatch <http://dbpedia.org/resource/Michelle_Obama>. > > Note that the DBpedia resource *is* Michelle Obama the living person, > typed as a foaf:Person, and bearing properties such as :spouse and > :child. But I will just ignore that, just to see what rat's nest that > will get me into. > > Because of the range of skos:closeMatch, the triples above imply the > following: > > <http://dbpedia.org/resource/Michelle_Obama> > a foaf:Person; > a skos:Concept . > > So this would mean that there exists a concept that shares all > properties (including creation date) with the person. I'm assuming that > DBpedia does not assert any SKOS properties about the resource. > > Can a single URI refer to a person and to an equivalent concept at the > same time? > > Anyone care to shoot holes into that idea? You mean, *again*? ;-) The thread on the SKOS list that followed your first mail [1] was more-or-less about that, no? Anyway, without taking position here myself, I'd think that you are not far from doing that person-as-concept trick yourself in dbpedia. There are no indeed SKOS properties about the resource (note that there could be skos:prefLabel, which does not have skos:Concept as domain), but at least for http://dbpedia.org/resource/Michelle_Obama there is a statement which looks more like something for a "dbpedia business object" than for the real person: http://dbpedia.org/resource/Michelle_Obama dbpprop:termStart "January 20, 2009" Antoine [1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-esw-thes/2009Nov/0000.html
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