- From: Richard Cyganiak <richard@cyganiak.de>
- Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 18:13:34 +0200
- To: Bernard Vatant <bernard.vatant@mondeca.com>
- Cc: dbpedia-discussion@lists.sourceforge.net, SKOS <public-esw-thes@w3.org>
Bernard,
I don't know about plans regarding the namespace. Just one thing:
Wikipedia categories are not transitive, and applying transitivity
inference would produce undesirable results. This is because the
category system is simply not a well-designed hierarchy, but rather a
tagging system where categories can be tagged as well. For example, if
we applied transitive inference, then category:Berlin would become a
subcategory of category:Mexico, category:Asia, and category:Jesus.
Don't ask why... ;-)
Best,
Richard
On 21 Oct 2008, at 12:27, Bernard Vatant wrote:
> Hi all
>
> I wanted to get at the following data set through http://dbpedia.org/sparql
>
> "Churches in Paris, along with French name and description, and
> geo-tagging elements"
>
> The category "Churches in Paris" has typically two levels of
> subcategories, by "Religion", then by "Arrondissement"
>
> So the following query
>
> PREFIX p: <http://dbpedia.org/property/>
> PREFIX dbpedia: <http://dbpedia.org/resource/>
> PREFIX category: <http://dbpedia.org/resource/Category:>
> PREFIX rdfs: <http://www.w3.org/2000/01/rdf-schema#>
> PREFIX skos: <http://www.w3.org/2004/02/skos/core#>
> PREFIX geo: <http://www.georss.org/georss/>
>
> SELECT DISTINCT ?m ?n ?p ?d
> WHERE {
> ?m rdfs:label ?n.
> ?m skos:subject ?c.
> ?c skos:broader category:Churches_in_Paris.
> ?m p:abstract ?d.
> ?m geo:point ?p
> FILTER ( lang(?n) = "fr" )
> FILTER ( lang(?d) = "fr" )}
>
> ... yields only the two results which are in a direct subcategory.
> Which
> means skos:broader transitivity is not supported. OK.
> This leads to several remarks and questions.
> SKOS version declared in the namespace is the 2004 version, which is
> now
> superseded by the new 2008 SKOS specification and namespace.
> For those not aware of the long debate history in SKOS about broader
> transitivity, the sum up is as following
>
> skos(2004):broader is transitive
> skos(2008):broader is no more transitive. It links only to the direct
> parent.
> skos(2008):broaderTransitive is a superproperty of the above, and it
> is
> transitive - like skos(2004):broader
>
> To sum it up, the current dbpedia interface declares skos:broader in
> the
> 2004 namespace, but de facto applies the 2008 semantics (no
> transitivity).
> This is indeed confusing, and given there has been already a lot of
> confusion in people minds about that affair, it's too bad.
> Has dbpedia in project to switch from SKOS 2004 to SKOS 2008 namespace
> and semantics, and if yes when? And in such a case case, will it
> support
> skos2008:broaderTransitive queries? As a side note, skos:subject is
> deprecated in SKOS 2008.
>
> Back to my churches in Paris, is there currently a workaround to get
> the
> results for all subcategories in a single query?
>
> Thanks for your attention.
>
> --
>
> *Bernard Vatant
> *Senior Consultant
> Vocabulary & Data Engineering
> Tel: +33 (0) 971 488 459
> Mail: bernard.vatant@mondeca.com <mailto:bernard.vatant@mondeca.com
> >
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