- From: Thomas Baker <thomas.baker@bi.fhg.de>
- Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 16:57:45 +0100
- To: Mark van Assem <mark@cs.vu.nl>
- Cc: "Miles, AJ (Alistair)" <A.J.Miles@rl.ac.uk>, public-esw-thes@w3.org
I agree - it looks good!!
Tom
On Wed, Jan 26, 2005 at 03:43:33PM +0100, Mark van Assem wrote:
> Hi Alistair,
>
> Good job! I think it's pretty clear while still remaining concise. The
> graph also clarifies a lot (maybe add a small legenda?). The statement
> below the graph for which people this guide may be of interest motivates
> the readers who are still doubting whether to read on.
>
> Mark.
>
> Miles, AJ (Alistair) wrote:
>
> >Hi all,
> >
> >In response to basic issues 1 & 2 from Tom (see below) I've reworked the
> >introductory section of the SKOS Core Guide:
> >
> >http://www.w3.org/2004/02/skos/core/guide/2005-01-25.html
> >
> >What do you think?
> >
> >Haven't tried a new abstract as yet.
> >
> >Cheers,
> >
> >Al.
> >
> >
> >
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: public-esw-thes-request@w3.org
> >>[mailto:public-esw-thes-request@w3.org]On Behalf Of Thomas Baker
> >>Sent: 10 January 2005 13:32
> >>To: SWAD Europe Thesaurus
> >>Subject: Review of SKOS documents - 1/2
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Dear all,
> >>
> >>As a member of the Semantic Web Best Practices working group
> >>I was asked to review several SKOS documents, and Alistair
> >>suggested I re-post my comments for discussion here as well.
> >>
> >>I only recently joined this list and do not know if some of
> >>the questions I raise haven't already been discussed, perhaps
> >>even at length. Also, as I make clear in my comments, I tend
> >>to read things through Dublin Core glasses.
> >>
> >>I divided my comments into two parts: basic issues (attached
> >>below) and points of stylistic detail (the next message).
> >>
> >>Tom
> >>
> >>---
> >>
> >>
> >>Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 10:46:03 +0100
> >>From: Thomas Baker <thomas.baker@bi.fhg.de>
> >>To: "Miles, AJ (Alistair)" <A.J.Miles@rl.ac.uk>
> >>Cc: "'public-swbp-wg@w3.org'" <public-swbp-wg@w3.org>
> >>Subject: Re: [ALL] PORT documents for internal review - 1/2
> >>Sender: public-swbp-wg-request@w3.org
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>The following documents are submitted to the working group
> >>
> >>for internal
> >>
> >>>review:
> >>>
> >>>(A) SKOS Core Vocabulary Specification (2004-12-17 version)
> >>>http://www.w3.org/2004/02/skos/core/spec/2004-12-17.html
> >>>
> >>>(B) SKOS Core Guide (2004-11-25 version)
> >>>http://www.w3.org/2004/02/skos/core/guide/2004-11-25.html
> >>>
> >>>(C) Quick Guide to Publishing a Thesaurus on the Semantic
> >>
> >>Web (2004-11-17
> >>
> >>>version)
> >>>http://www.w3.org/2004/03/thes-tf/primer/2004-11-17.html
> >>>
> >>>The nominated reviewers for these documents are:
> >>>
> >>>Mark van Assem (on behalf of Guus Schreiber)
> >>>Tom Baker
> >>>
> >>>Reviews should be posted to this list by 10 January 2005.
> >>
> >>My review focuses on Document B -- the 40-page overview of SKOS
> >>Core -- though my comments have implications for the other two.
> >>
> >>Overall, this is excellent, careful work. I want to say
> >>this up-front because, after a close reading of the document,
> >>I end up raising quite a few points of detail.
> >>
> >>My second posting will raise points of wording and
> >>presentation. This posting covers three more fundamental
> >>issues:
> >>
> >>1. Reaching the intended audience
> >>
> >> As discussed in the telecon of 16 December [1]:
> >> > The guide is human-readable intro - how to use it:
> >> > features of vocabulary, with examples. In the last
> >> > telecon, we agreed to make it accessible to non-RDF
> >> > people, but proved to be nearly impossible to write -
> >> > would have been extremely long. Rather, we restrict
> >> > the scope to people who basically understand RDF,
> >> > then if we want to present porting issues, we will
> >> > do that in a separate doc which explains basic
> >> > concepts (not yet written). From there, we can
> >> > look at developing add'nl method notes.
> >>
> >> A separate document on "basic concepts" will be a useful
> >> thing, but in the meantime a bit more introduction is
> >> perhaps needed in the SKOS Core Guide itself.
> >>
> >> The Guide does assume that the reader is RDF-literate.
> >> However, it presents that RDF in the form of RDF/XML
> >> serialization syntax. While the Introduction emphasizes
> >> that SKOS Core is not "an XML syntax for concept schemes",
> >> this is done to make the point that N3/Turtle or N-Triple
> >> could be used just as well -- and not to reinforce the
> >> more basic point that "what is fundamental to RDF is the
> >> graph model" [RDF-PRIMER].
> >>
> >> One or two simple node-arc diagrams right at the beginning
> >> of the draft might be a simple and readable way to present
> >> the "basic concepts" behind SKOS.
> >>
> >> For example, the example concept from the Quick Guide
> >> ("Economic cooperation") illustrates in itself some basic
> >> features of SKOS Core: skos:Concepts, related to other
> >> broader or narrower skos:Concepts, with preferred versus
> >> alternate labels. Presenting this one example as a simple
> >> diagram with labeled arcs and nodes could be a good way
> >> to present the basic idea.
> >>
> >> The introductory message, then, could convey something
> >> like the following message:
> >>
> >> Thesauri represent semantic relations among concepts
> >> [insert "Economic cooperation" example here, along with
> >> citations for BS8723, ISO 2788, and other thesaurus
> >> standards].
> >>
> >> Here is how the example looks as an RDF graph using the
> >> SKOS Core vocabulary [inser a node-and-arc diagram here].
> >>
> >> If your vocabulary has a similar structure, you will
> >> be interested in reading this Guide because it will
> >> tell you how you can express your vocabulary in, or
> >> translate your vocabulary into, an RDF model using the
> >> SKOS Core vocabulary. Using the RDF model will allow
> >> your vocabulary to be linked to or merged with other
> >> data structures by RDF applications.
> >>
> >>2. What SKOS Core "is"
> >>
> >> The Abstract begins:
> >>
> >> "SKOS Core is a supporting RDF Vocabulary..."
> >>
> >> To me, this choice of wording raises several questions
> >> that are not really answered in the rest of the text.
> >>
> >> Someone familiar with RDF -- the target audience of
> >> the draft -- might correctly take an "RDF Vocabulary"
> >> to be something like "a vocabulary of terms usable as
> >> Properties and Classes in the RDF model". In the absence
> >> of a definition, however, the reader could confuse it with
> >> "The RDF Vocabulary" ("a set of URI references in the rdf:
> >> namespace" [2]). Some readers, concluding that SKOS Core is
> >> only relevant to people who are already "using RDF", might
> >> stop reading right here. A definition of "RDF vocabulary"
> >> up-front, with a pointer to [3], could address this.
> >>
> >> But is the SKOS Core Guide really primarily about a
> >> vocabulary? Or is it really about a particular data
> >> model based, in turn, on the RDF model? Reducing SKOS
> >> Core to the vocabulary alone seems a bit like reducing
> >> RDF to "The RDF Vocabulary". Saying that SKOS Core is a
> >> "supporting" vocabulary makes one ask: supporting what?
> >>
> >> Rather, describing SKOS Core as a "model" for expressing
> >> knowledge organization structures such as thesauri could
> >> perhaps correct this narrow perspective, shifting the
> >> reader's attention to the model of entities being described
> >> ("skos:Concepts" and relationships between them) and how
> >> the vocabulary "supports" that model.
> >>
> >>3. Ownership and maintenance of SKOS
> >>
> >> In the Vocabulary Management task force, we are trying to
> >> formulate (and illustrate) a best-practice guideline to
> >> the effect that vocabulary maintainers should "articulate
> >> and publish maintenance policies for the Terms and their
> >> URI references". It is not clear from the documents (in
> >> particular the SKOS Core Vocabulary Specification) who
> >> is ultimately taking responsibility for the maintenance
> >> of the SKOS vocabulary. Is W3C implicitly assuming that
> >> responsibility? I'm wondering to what extent the SWBPD
> >> working group needs to address these questions as a basis
> >> for any recommendations it may want to issue.
> >>
> >> As a related issue, the Vocabulary Spec is generated from
> >> the RDF representation, implying that the RDF representation
> >> is canonical and the Web document is derived. Yet it is
> >> the Web document that we are reviewing, presumably to
> >> assign the Web document some sort of status in the W3C
> >> context. Which representation is primarily the object of
> >> maintenance? This relationship between the Web document
> >> and the underlying RDF representation should perhaps be
> >> addressed in the Introduction.
> >>
> >>[1]
> >
> >http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Dec/0099.html:
> >[2] http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-mt/
> >[3] http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-schema/
> >
>
> --
> Mark F.J. van Assem - Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam
> mark@cs.vu.nl - http://www.cs.vu.nl/~mark
>
>
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