- From: Miles, AJ (Alistair) <A.J.Miles@rl.ac.uk>
- Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 13:49:08 -0000
- To: 'Thomas Baker' <thomas.baker@bi.fhg.de>, SWAD Europe Thesaurus <public-esw-thes@w3.org>
Hi all, In response to basic issues 1 & 2 from Tom (see below) I've reworked the introductory section of the SKOS Core Guide: http://www.w3.org/2004/02/skos/core/guide/2005-01-25.html What do you think? Haven't tried a new abstract as yet. Cheers, Al. > -----Original Message----- > From: public-esw-thes-request@w3.org > [mailto:public-esw-thes-request@w3.org]On Behalf Of Thomas Baker > Sent: 10 January 2005 13:32 > To: SWAD Europe Thesaurus > Subject: Review of SKOS documents - 1/2 > > > > Dear all, > > As a member of the Semantic Web Best Practices working group > I was asked to review several SKOS documents, and Alistair > suggested I re-post my comments for discussion here as well. > > I only recently joined this list and do not know if some of > the questions I raise haven't already been discussed, perhaps > even at length. Also, as I make clear in my comments, I tend > to read things through Dublin Core glasses. > > I divided my comments into two parts: basic issues (attached > below) and points of stylistic detail (the next message). > > Tom > > --- > > > Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 10:46:03 +0100 > From: Thomas Baker <thomas.baker@bi.fhg.de> > To: "Miles, AJ (Alistair)" <A.J.Miles@rl.ac.uk> > Cc: "'public-swbp-wg@w3.org'" <public-swbp-wg@w3.org> > Subject: Re: [ALL] PORT documents for internal review - 1/2 > Sender: public-swbp-wg-request@w3.org > > > > The following documents are submitted to the working group > for internal > > review: > > > > (A) SKOS Core Vocabulary Specification (2004-12-17 version) > > http://www.w3.org/2004/02/skos/core/spec/2004-12-17.html > > > > (B) SKOS Core Guide (2004-11-25 version) > > http://www.w3.org/2004/02/skos/core/guide/2004-11-25.html > > > > (C) Quick Guide to Publishing a Thesaurus on the Semantic > Web (2004-11-17 > > version) > > http://www.w3.org/2004/03/thes-tf/primer/2004-11-17.html > > > > The nominated reviewers for these documents are: > > > > Mark van Assem (on behalf of Guus Schreiber) > > Tom Baker > > > > Reviews should be posted to this list by 10 January 2005. > > My review focuses on Document B -- the 40-page overview of SKOS > Core -- though my comments have implications for the other two. > > Overall, this is excellent, careful work. I want to say > this up-front because, after a close reading of the document, > I end up raising quite a few points of detail. > > My second posting will raise points of wording and > presentation. This posting covers three more fundamental > issues: > > 1. Reaching the intended audience > > As discussed in the telecon of 16 December [1]: > > The guide is human-readable intro - how to use it: > > features of vocabulary, with examples. In the last > > telecon, we agreed to make it accessible to non-RDF > > people, but proved to be nearly impossible to write - > > would have been extremely long. Rather, we restrict > > the scope to people who basically understand RDF, > > then if we want to present porting issues, we will > > do that in a separate doc which explains basic > > concepts (not yet written). From there, we can > > look at developing add'nl method notes. > > A separate document on "basic concepts" will be a useful > thing, but in the meantime a bit more introduction is > perhaps needed in the SKOS Core Guide itself. > > The Guide does assume that the reader is RDF-literate. > However, it presents that RDF in the form of RDF/XML > serialization syntax. While the Introduction emphasizes > that SKOS Core is not "an XML syntax for concept schemes", > this is done to make the point that N3/Turtle or N-Triple > could be used just as well -- and not to reinforce the > more basic point that "what is fundamental to RDF is the > graph model" [RDF-PRIMER]. > > One or two simple node-arc diagrams right at the beginning > of the draft might be a simple and readable way to present > the "basic concepts" behind SKOS. > > For example, the example concept from the Quick Guide > ("Economic cooperation") illustrates in itself some basic > features of SKOS Core: skos:Concepts, related to other > broader or narrower skos:Concepts, with preferred versus > alternate labels. Presenting this one example as a simple > diagram with labeled arcs and nodes could be a good way > to present the basic idea. > > The introductory message, then, could convey something > like the following message: > > Thesauri represent semantic relations among concepts > [insert "Economic cooperation" example here, along with > citations for BS8723, ISO 2788, and other thesaurus > standards]. > > Here is how the example looks as an RDF graph using the > SKOS Core vocabulary [inser a node-and-arc diagram here]. > > If your vocabulary has a similar structure, you will > be interested in reading this Guide because it will > tell you how you can express your vocabulary in, or > translate your vocabulary into, an RDF model using the > SKOS Core vocabulary. Using the RDF model will allow > your vocabulary to be linked to or merged with other > data structures by RDF applications. > > 2. What SKOS Core "is" > > The Abstract begins: > > "SKOS Core is a supporting RDF Vocabulary..." > > To me, this choice of wording raises several questions > that are not really answered in the rest of the text. > > Someone familiar with RDF -- the target audience of > the draft -- might correctly take an "RDF Vocabulary" > to be something like "a vocabulary of terms usable as > Properties and Classes in the RDF model". In the absence > of a definition, however, the reader could confuse it with > "The RDF Vocabulary" ("a set of URI references in the rdf: > namespace" [2]). Some readers, concluding that SKOS Core is > only relevant to people who are already "using RDF", might > stop reading right here. A definition of "RDF vocabulary" > up-front, with a pointer to [3], could address this. > > But is the SKOS Core Guide really primarily about a > vocabulary? Or is it really about a particular data > model based, in turn, on the RDF model? Reducing SKOS > Core to the vocabulary alone seems a bit like reducing > RDF to "The RDF Vocabulary". Saying that SKOS Core is a > "supporting" vocabulary makes one ask: supporting what? > > Rather, describing SKOS Core as a "model" for expressing > knowledge organization structures such as thesauri could > perhaps correct this narrow perspective, shifting the > reader's attention to the model of entities being described > ("skos:Concepts" and relationships between them) and how > the vocabulary "supports" that model. > > 3. Ownership and maintenance of SKOS > > In the Vocabulary Management task force, we are trying to > formulate (and illustrate) a best-practice guideline to > the effect that vocabulary maintainers should "articulate > and publish maintenance policies for the Terms and their > URI references". It is not clear from the documents (in > particular the SKOS Core Vocabulary Specification) who > is ultimately taking responsibility for the maintenance > of the SKOS vocabulary. Is W3C implicitly assuming that > responsibility? I'm wondering to what extent the SWBPD > working group needs to address these questions as a basis > for any recommendations it may want to issue. > > As a related issue, the Vocabulary Spec is generated from > the RDF representation, implying that the RDF representation > is canonical and the Web document is derived. Yet it is > the Web document that we are reviewing, presumably to > assign the Web document some sort of status in the W3C > context. Which representation is primarily the object of > maintenance? This relationship between the Web document > and the underlying RDF representation should perhaps be > addressed in the Introduction. > > [1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Dec/0099.html: [2] http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-mt/ [3] http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-schema/ -- Dr. Thomas Baker Thomas.Baker@izb.fraunhofer.de Institutszentrum Schloss Birlinghoven mobile +49-160-9664-2129 Fraunhofer-Gesellschaft work +49-30-8109-9027 53754 Sankt Augustin, Germany fax +49-2241-144-2352 Personal email: thbaker79@alumni.amherst.edu
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