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RE: subject indicators ... ?

From: Miles, AJ (Alistair) <A.J.Miles@rl.ac.uk>
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 13:45:09 +0100
Message-ID: <350DC7048372D31197F200902773DF4C05E50C97@exchange11.rl.ac.uk>
To: 'Bernard Vatant' <bernard.vatant@mondeca.com>, carlmattocks@checkmi.com
Cc: 'Stella Dextre Clarke' <sdclarke@lukehouse.demon.co.uk>, public-esw-thes@w3.org



> That said, if you really think that it makes sense to 
> integrate the original topic map
> concept in SKOS, why not use the same name from the property 
> that in the XTM namespace,
> that is exactly "subjectIndicatorRef", 

I would be quite happy with that.

> and declare it to be 
> an (exact?) match of this
> property, that is :
> 
> skos:subjectIndicatorRef  skos-map:exactMatch  xtm:subjectIndicatorRef
> 
> where xtm stands for the XTM namespace 
> http://www.topicmaps.org/xtm/1.0/
> 

Would we want to say:

 skos:subjectIndicatorRef  owl:equivalentProperty  xtm:subjectIndicatorRef

as well?

> Maybe it's too strong a commitment. I guess Lars Marius will 
> soon comment on that :))
>

I look forward to comments from Lars and others on this.

Al.


 
> Cheers
> 
> Bernard
> 
> Bernard Vatant
> Senior Consultant
> Knowledge Engineering
> Mondeca - www.mondeca.com
> bernard.vatant@mondeca.com
> 
> 
> > -----Message d'origine-----
> > De : public-esw-thes-request@w3.org
> > [mailto:public-esw-thes-request@w3.org]De la part de Carl Mattocks
> > Envoyé : jeudi 7 octobre 2004 17:35
> > À : Miles, AJ (Alistair)
> > Cc : 'Stella Dextre Clarke'; 'public-esw-thes@w3.org'
> > Objet : RE: subject indicators ... ?
> >
> >
> >
> > Al:
> >
> > Perhaps as a placekeeper you should just use 
> PublishedSubjectIndicator and
> > give the OASIS folks the luxury of defining / defending 
> that paradigm (it
> > is NOT easy).
> >
> > carl
> > <quote who="Miles, AJ (Alistair)">
> > >
> > > Thanks Stella.
> > >
> > > I agree, the name 'indicator' is a bit vague ... I 
> originally suggested it
> > > because of the parallel with the OASIS published subject indicator
> > > paradigm,
> > > and in the additional hope of building a bit of overlap 
> with topic-map
> > > standards.
> > >
> > > I think 'authority' and 'source' are unfortunately a bit 
> overloaded ...
> > >
> > > Some more ideas (brainstorming here): 'resolveTo' 
> 'resolutionTarget'
> > > 'webPresence' 'webDescriptor' ... (still not discounting 
> 'indicator') ???
> > >
> > > Al.
> > >
> > > ---
> > > Alistair Miles
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: Stella Dextre Clarke 
> [mailto:sdclarke@lukehouse.demon.co.uk]
> > >> Sent: 07 October 2004 12:15
> > >> To: 'Miles, AJ (Alistair) '; public-esw-thes@w3.org
> > >> Subject: RE: subject indicators ... ?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Just trying to catch up with this one. I guess such a
> > >> property could be
> > >> useful. The purpose seems to be to point to the place where
> > >> you can find
> > >> out the most authoritative information available about a 
> concept. I
> > >> begin to wonder whether the name should involve something
> > >> like "source"
> > >> or "authority", although I don't have any objection to 
> "indicator",
> > >> except perhaps that it is vague. I can't point to any existing
> > >> convention for what people tend to call this type of
> > >> property, since it
> > >> is a fairly new way of doing things. I see it as perhaps a way of
> > >> providing added value to the traditional thesaurus model, and
> > >> time will
> > >> tell whether and how people find it useful. ( It's not 
> easy trying to
> > >> make up standards in advance of precedents!)
> > >> Cheers
> > >> Stella
> > >>
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> > >>
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: public-esw-thes-request@w3.org
> > >> [mailto:public-esw-thes-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Miles, AJ
> > >> (Alistair)
> > >> Sent: 06 October 2004 14:22
> > >> To: 'public-esw-thes@w3.org'
> > >> Subject: FW: subject indicators ... ?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> >AJM said:
> > >> Also I wasn't talking about identifying concepts in relation
> > >> to *someone
> > >> elses* indicators, although this would be a possibility [with the
> > >> implication that (?x skos:indicator ?i) (?y 
> skos:indicator ?i) -> (?x
> > >> skos-map:exactMatch ?y)].
> > >>
> > >> So I just realised that, if allowed to be used in this way,
> > >> of course a
> > >> 'skos:indicator' type property *should not* be an IFP.
> > >>
> > >> An alternative name has been suggested to me, something 
> involving the
> > >> word 'indicative' ... e.g. 'indicativeRepresentation'
> > >> 'indicativeResource' ... just throwing ideas out, hoping to
> > >> work towards
> > >> a name that reflects well the intended usage.
> > >>
> > >> Al.
> > >>
> > >> ---
> > >> Alistair Miles
> > >> Research Associate
> > >> CCLRC - Rutherford Appleton Laboratory
> > >> Building R1 Room 1.60
> > >> Fermi Avenue
> > >> Chilton
> > >> Didcot
> > >> Oxfordshire OX11 0QX
> > >> United Kingdom
> > >> Email:        a.j.miles@rl.ac.uk
> > >> Tel: +44 (0)1235 445440
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > -----Original Message-----
> > >> > From: public-esw-thes-request@w3.org
> > >> > [mailto:public-esw-thes-request@w3.org]On Behalf Of 
> Leonard Will
> > >> > Sent: 05 October 2004 16:49
> > >> > To: public-esw-thes@w3.org
> > >> > Subject: Re: subject indicators ... ?
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > In message
> > >> > <350DC7048372D31197F200902773DF4C05E50C6E@exchange11.rl.ac.uk>
> > >> >  on Tue, 5
> > >> > Oct 2004, "Miles, AJ (Alistair)" <A.J.Miles@rl.ac.uk> wrote
> > >> > >The idea I had for a 'skos:indicator' property is that it
> > >> > points to a
> > >> > >web resource that consists of a *complete* description of
> > >> > the concept.
> > >> > >This should include labels, definitions, examples, etc.
> > >> > where present.
> > >> >
> > >> > I would think that the only place you would find a suitable
> > >> > *complete*
> > >> > description would be within a knowledge organisation scheme
> > >> that had
> > >> > been compiled in accordance with the standards that you are
> > >> > using. Are
> > >> > you then just in the situation of borrowing elements from
> > >> > other KOSs -
> > >> > i.e. merging or mapping?
> > >> >
> > >> > >Such a 'skos:indicator' property would also provide an
> > >> > alternative to
> > >> > >resolvable URIs for concepts ... i.e. you can have a 
> concept with a
> > >> > >non-resolvable URI, and if you are looking for a complete
> > >> > >(content-negotiable) description of that concept, you 
> look up the
> > >> > >'indicator'.
> > >> >
> > >> > What could an "indicator" be if it pointed to a web resource
> > >> > but was not
> > >> > a URI? I thought that a URI was a general name for 
> something that
> > >> > pointed to a web resource.
> > >> >
> > >> > I'm not sure what you mean by "content-negotiable".
> > >> >
> > >> > Leonard
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> > >
> > >
> >
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