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RE: subject indicators ... ?

From: Carl Mattocks <carlmattocks@checkmi.com>
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 11:34:50 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID: <4945.216.163.247.1.1097163290.squirrel@webmail.netcarrier.com>
To: "Miles, AJ \(Alistair\)" <A.J.Miles@rl.ac.uk>
Cc: "'Stella Dextre Clarke'" <sdclarke@lukehouse.demon.co.uk>, "'public-esw-thes@w3.org'" <public-esw-thes@w3.org>

Al:

Perhaps as a placekeeper you should just use PublishedSubjectIndicator and
give the OASIS folks the luxury of defining / defending that paradigm (it
is NOT easy).

carl
<quote who="Miles, AJ (Alistair)">
>
> Thanks Stella.
>
> I agree, the name 'indicator' is a bit vague ... I originally suggested it
> because of the parallel with the OASIS published subject indicator
> paradigm,
> and in the additional hope of building a bit of overlap with topic-map
> standards.
>
> I think 'authority' and 'source' are unfortunately a bit overloaded ...
>
> Some more ideas (brainstorming here): 'resolveTo' 'resolutionTarget'
> 'webPresence' 'webDescriptor' ... (still not discounting 'indicator') ???
>
> Al.
>
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> Alistair Miles
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>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Stella Dextre Clarke [mailto:sdclarke@lukehouse.demon.co.uk]
>> Sent: 07 October 2004 12:15
>> To: 'Miles, AJ (Alistair) '; public-esw-thes@w3.org
>> Subject: RE: subject indicators ... ?
>>
>>
>> Just trying to catch up with this one. I guess such a
>> property could be
>> useful. The purpose seems to be to point to the place where
>> you can find
>> out the most authoritative information available about a concept. I
>> begin to wonder whether the name should involve something
>> like "source"
>> or "authority", although I don't have any objection to "indicator",
>> except perhaps that it is vague. I can't point to any existing
>> convention for what people tend to call this type of
>> property, since it
>> is a fairly new way of doing things. I see it as perhaps a way of
>> providing added value to the traditional thesaurus model, and
>> time will
>> tell whether and how people find it useful. ( It's not easy trying to
>> make up standards in advance of precedents!)
>> Cheers
>> Stella
>>
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>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: public-esw-thes-request@w3.org
>> [mailto:public-esw-thes-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Miles, AJ
>> (Alistair)
>> Sent: 06 October 2004 14:22
>> To: 'public-esw-thes@w3.org'
>> Subject: FW: subject indicators ... ?
>>
>>
>>
>> >AJM said:
>> Also I wasn't talking about identifying concepts in relation
>> to *someone
>> elses* indicators, although this would be a possibility [with the
>> implication that (?x skos:indicator ?i) (?y skos:indicator ?i) -> (?x
>> skos-map:exactMatch ?y)].
>>
>> So I just realised that, if allowed to be used in this way,
>> of course a
>> 'skos:indicator' type property *should not* be an IFP.
>>
>> An alternative name has been suggested to me, something involving the
>> word 'indicative' ... e.g. 'indicativeRepresentation'
>> 'indicativeResource' ... just throwing ideas out, hoping to
>> work towards
>> a name that reflects well the intended usage.
>>
>> Al.
>>
>> ---
>> Alistair Miles
>> Research Associate
>> CCLRC - Rutherford Appleton Laboratory
>> Building R1 Room 1.60
>> Fermi Avenue
>> Chilton
>> Didcot
>> Oxfordshire OX11 0QX
>> United Kingdom
>> Email:        a.j.miles@rl.ac.uk
>> Tel: +44 (0)1235 445440
>>
>>
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: public-esw-thes-request@w3.org
>> > [mailto:public-esw-thes-request@w3.org]On Behalf Of Leonard Will
>> > Sent: 05 October 2004 16:49
>> > To: public-esw-thes@w3.org
>> > Subject: Re: subject indicators ... ?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > In message
>> > <350DC7048372D31197F200902773DF4C05E50C6E@exchange11.rl.ac.uk>
>> >  on Tue, 5
>> > Oct 2004, "Miles, AJ (Alistair)" <A.J.Miles@rl.ac.uk> wrote
>> > >The idea I had for a 'skos:indicator' property is that it
>> > points to a
>> > >web resource that consists of a *complete* description of
>> > the concept.
>> > >This should include labels, definitions, examples, etc.
>> > where present.
>> >
>> > I would think that the only place you would find a suitable
>> > *complete*
>> > description would be within a knowledge organisation scheme
>> that had
>> > been compiled in accordance with the standards that you are
>> > using. Are
>> > you then just in the situation of borrowing elements from
>> > other KOSs -
>> > i.e. merging or mapping?
>> >
>> > >Such a 'skos:indicator' property would also provide an
>> > alternative to
>> > >resolvable URIs for concepts ... i.e. you can have a concept with a
>> > >non-resolvable URI, and if you are looking for a complete
>> > >(content-negotiable) description of that concept, you look up the
>> > >'indicator'.
>> >
>> > What could an "indicator" be if it pointed to a web resource
>> > but was not
>> > a URI? I thought that a URI was a general name for something that
>> > pointed to a web resource.
>> >
>> > I'm not sure what you mean by "content-negotiable".
>> >
>> > Leonard
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>> >
>>
>
>


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