- From: Leonard Will <L.Will@willpowerinfo.co.uk>
- Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 16:40:34 +0000
- To: public-esw-thes@w3.org
In message <AAEKLFPLCPPCFCOACDKIEEIECJAA.aida@acorweb.net> on Thu, 26 Feb 2004, Aida Slavic <aida@acorweb.net> wrote > the definition of facet is best when pinned on the level where it is >functional and acceptable for everyone: i.e. on the level of mutually >exclusive classes, where the facet is defined as the result of a division by a >single criterion. > >> >Some facets commonly used in thesauri include Activities, Agents, >> >Objects, Materials, Organisms, Places, Times. Normally, a concept that >> >belongs to one of these facets cannot belong to any of the others, >> >because they are such fundamentally different things. > >As you say the problem is not on here but on the level when we have >subdivision of e.g. so-called-facet Materials ... > >materials by origin > Origin1 > Origin2 > Origin3 > >materials by function > Function1 > Function2 > Function3 > >RESULT: in this arrangement one can make logical combination: >Origin1Function2 I would describe this as the organisation of concepts within the materials facet into arrays, each according to a specified criterion of division. A concept may occur in two or more of these arrays and may occur more than once within a single array. For example you can have: <materials by origin> animal materials animal fat inorganic materials mineral oil vegetable materials sunflower oil <materials by function> foodstuffs animal fat sunflower oil fuels animal fat mineral oil sunflower oil lubricants animal fat mineral oil >If 'MATERIAL' contains further mutually exclusive division (by origin, by >function etc.) it seems not to be technically a facet itself. >If Material would be a 'facet' in the pure sense (i.e. production of division by >a single criterion) combination of concepts within it would not make logical >sense as they would be mutually exclusive. I don't really follow this. You could argue that "materials" is one of the mutually-exclusive groups you would create if you divided the universe of concepts by the criterion of the "fundamental category" to which they belong. Alternatively, you could argue that "materials" is a top-level term which you would reach if you built a hierarchical tree from the bottom upwards, and could then go no further, i.e. it is one of the small number of ultimate "top terms" that you would reach if you combined all concepts into trees on the "is-a" (generic) relationship. Both of these approaches lead me to think that it is useful to use the expression "facets" for these groups or ultimate top terms. I agree that different people may derive slightly different sets of facets by these methods. "People" and "organisations" might be considered as separate facets or as concepts within a more general facet of "people and organisations"[1]; "people" might be considered as a concept within the more general facet of "organisms". But in most cases I think it is possible to define a useful set of mutually exclusive facets in this way. >>I wonder, therefore, whether we should avoid using the term "facets" for >>the 13 elements in the list above, and say just that this specifies a >>useful citation order of concepts according to their roles. > >By all means!!! The best way would be IMHO to let facet be what it logically >and technically is But I'm not sure what you are saying that it "logically and technically" is. Do you want to use the term "facet" for what I have called an "array"? > - and then find a proper name for concept categories above it >such as Activities, Agents, Objects, Materials, Organisms, Places, Times >['concept categories' or 'fundamental concept categories'] These concept categories are what my reasoning above leads me to call "fundamental facets", or preferably just "facets", to avoid the complication and confusion of having different kinds of facets. >This discussion repeats every now and then on several lists. Last time it >was on facetedclassification list when people were confused with >definition of 'fundamental' facets and whether they are facets at all with >respect to what facet should technically be and how it should be >represented with an ontology mark-up language. Yes, and I think we have to come to some clear consensus or we shall continue to confuse the folk who are seeking definitive statements on these structures in order to build them into the unforgiving syntax of machine communication formats. Leonard [1] It is unfortunate that we don't have a convenient word to encompass "people and organisations". "Agents" is not good, because it implies an active role and distinguishes them from "patients", i.e. the things acted upon, which is not intended here. "Bodies" implies dead bodies or corporate bodies. -- Willpower Information (Partners: Dr Leonard D Will, Sheena E Will) Information Management Consultants Tel: +44 (0)20 8372 0092 27 Calshot Way, Enfield, Middlesex EN2 7BQ, UK. Fax: +44 (0)870 051 7276 L.Will@Willpowerinfo.co.uk Sheena.Will@Willpowerinfo.co.uk ---------------- <URL:http://www.willpowerinfo.co.uk/> -----------------
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