- From: Brady Duga <duga@google.com>
- Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2017 08:23:29 -0700
- To: Daniel Weck <daniel.weck@gmail.com>
- Cc: "Gribben, Andrew" <Andrew.Gribben@hmhco.com>, "public-epub3@w3.org" <public-epub3@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <CAH_p_eX-fY_FnE2NTgW2kp65o8qJcX4fiTUMqUnUqP_cvbEZLA@mail.gmail.com>
Yes, I was thinking along these lines as well. In some sense, we already have the "just leave me alone" switch today with fixed layout, which only works marginally well and of course is a bit too invasive for most content. Personally I am leaning toward a margin specific property as the least invasive solution to the problem. Basically "pleas don't add any margins", although there are still questions around, say two-up mode or visible controls that need addressing. Perhaps this is analogous to a full-screen mode in a browserr; we aren't styling content, just requesting that all available space be provided to the content. On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 7:35 AM, Daniel Weck <daniel.weck@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello all, > during the EPUB 3.1 revision cycle there was a discussion about some kind > of "leave me alone" (aka LMA) property that would somehow instruct reading > systems to forego custom layout and styling in reflowable documents, much > like how fixed-layout documents are rendered. Bearing in mind though, such > broadly-scoped functionality would interfere with (take precedence over?) > user preferences, and would therefore likely impede on accessibility (e.g. > font overrides, colour schemes). Full-bleed is mostly impacted by reading > system margins, so I can see how a margin-focused property would address > this particular use-case. But there are other presentational and > interactional aspects where the author's intent is bound to conflict with > user preferences and default reading system rendering rules. Just to name a > few examples: pagination (content sectioning), navigation / visualisation > aids (e.g. zoomable images), media overlay playback (synchronised > highlights), selections / annotations, text justification, line spacing, > font family and size overrides, etc. > Regards, > Daniel > > > On 6 June 2017 at 15:06, Gribben, Andrew <Andrew.Gribben@hmhco.com> wrote: > >> Hi Elie >> >> That's a great idea. >> >> ———————————— >> >> *Andrew Gribben* >> >> Technical Product Owner >> >> Engineering >> >> >> >> *Houghton Mifflin Harcourt* >> >> Office: +353 1 514 7759 >> >> Mobile: +44 7411 923951 >> >> >> On 6 June 2017 at 14:30:56, Elie Mietkiewicz ( >> mietkiewicz@gutenberg-technology.net) wrote: >> >> *This message originated from outside your organization* >> ------------------------------ >> Hi Andrew, >> >> Thanks for sharing these samples. Full bleed images indeed allow nice >> layout :) >> >> I have a more generic suggestion: why don't we create an "advanced >> author" attribute which simply remove the automatic margin and let the >> author decide to apply margin (or not!) for text, images but also videos or >> custom JS interactivities. Applying this automatic margin limit the >> reflowable epub to very basic layout whereas HTML5 & CSS3 allow incredible >> things! >> >> Regards, >> >> Elie >> >> Elie Mietkiewicz >> Product Manager, in charge of epub standard >> >> Inscrivez-vous <https://www.myecontentfactory.com/fr/#newsletter> à notre >> newsletter mensuelle ! >> LinkedIn <https://www.linkedin.com/company-beta/2481694/> | Facebook >> <https://www.facebook.com/GutenbergTechnology/> | Twitter >> <https://twitter.com/GutenbergTech> | Blog >> <http://gutenberg-technology.com/blog/> >> >> Monthly Newsletter: Subscribe Today! >> <https://www.myecontentfactory.com/en/#newsletter> >> LinkedIn <https://www.linkedin.com/company-beta/2481694/> | Facebook >> <https://www.facebook.com/GutenbergTechnology/> | Twitter >> <https://twitter.com/GutenbergTech> | Blog >> <http://gutenberg-technology.com/blog/en/> >> >> 2017-06-01 19:15 GMT+02:00 Gribben, Andrew <Andrew.Gribben@hmhco.com>: >> >>> Rather than wait until the next call, I figured I'd share this out now >>> in the hope that it gives some talking points if nothing else. >>> >>> I've uploaded a few single page samples of (non-HMH) content that >>> required support for full bleed images and backgrounds and where we ended >>> up using our own fork of Readium to support it. I find lot of digital >>> textbook designers want to do the same and without a way to do so their >>> designs tend to be a bit more bland than they otherwise could be. (That's >>> not always a bad thing). >>> >>> https://andrewgribben.github.io/publ-cg >>> >>> ———————————— >>> >>> *Andrew Gribben* >>> >>> >>> >>> On 30 May 2017 at 16:09:58, Dave Cramer (dauwhe@gmail.com) wrote: >>> >>> *This message originated from outside your organization* >>> ------------------------------ >>> Hi Everyone, >>> >>> We will have the second virtual meeting of the EPUB 3 Community Group on >>> Thursday, June 1 at 1600 UTC, which is: >>> >>> 9AM in San Francisco >>> 12 Noon in New York and Toronto >>> 4PM in London >>> 6PM in Paris and Amsterdam >>> 9:30PM in Chennai >>> 1AM Thursday in Tokyo (sorry!) >>> >>> The meeting will be one hour. >>> >>> ========== >>> DRAFT AGENDA >>> ========== >>> >>> [1] Update on recent and future events (Dave) >>> >>> [2] Education task force. Call for volunteers to organize and lead this >>> work. What are the next steps? >>> >>> [3] A11y task force. Call for volunteers to organize and lead this work. >>> What are the next steps? >>> >>> [4] Rendering and image bleeds. See https://github.com/w3c/pub >>> l-cg/wiki/Rendering and https://github.com/w3c/publ-cg/issues/3. How >>> might such a feature be designed? How can we work with reading system >>> developers on this? >>> >>> >>> ============================ >>> TELECONFERENCE INFORMATION >>> ============================ >>> >>> Meeting Number: 319 436 071 >>> Meeting Password: [ask on IRC, or use the name of the irc channel >>> without the hash character] >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------- >>> To join the online meeting (Now from mobile devices!) >>> ------------------------------------------------------- >>> 1. Go to https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=me9b9a0fe10fe9072be3 >>> be63ce160da16 >>> 2. 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