RE: PAS submission to ISO/IEC JTC1 (was Re: [AGENDA] EPUB 3 Working Group (EPUB3WG) Teleconference - 8 December 2022)

 

+1 to submitting EPUB 3.3 family of specs to ISO through PAS. It will help in worldwide adoption.

I know PAS had been a little controversial topic in past. But this is the best way forward to keep W3C and ISO specs in-sync.

 

With regards

Avneesh

From: Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org> 
Sent: Thursday, December 8, 2022 14:33
To: "Shinya Takami (高見真也)" <takami-s@kadokawa.jp>
Cc: Makoto Murata <eb2mmrt@gmail.com>; W3C EPUB 3 Working Group <public-epub-wg@w3.org>
Subject: Re: PAS submission to ISO/IEC JTC1 (was Re: [AGENDA] EPUB 3 Working Group (EPUB3WG) Teleconference - 8 December 2022)

 

I can answer that, Shinya…

 

The submission must be made officially by the W3C. I am not familiar with the administrative details (but I can find out), but there is a process whereby W3C, as a copyright holder and "owner" of the Recommendation, can submit it to ISO. ISO would then accept and publish the recommendation as an official ISO standard. This is the "PAS submission procedure", which is based on a general agreement between ISO JTC1 and W3C essentially saying that ISO accepts the outcome of a W3C WG work as a real standard. The great advantage (as opposed to earlier EPUB related ISO documents in the past) is that the document does not have to change at all, ie, no transformation into ISO language/tools/format/whatever, and its review process is also simplified. The copyright and the patent policy commitments are also unchanged. In particular, the documents will also remain public. As Makoto says, ISO JTC1 just adds its own cover page.

 

The decision that the WG will have to take is whether the WG requests W3C to do this submission, once the three Recommendations, ie, EPUB Core, EPUB RS, and EPUB A11Y, are published. 

 

However, while I agree with Makoto that it is good to avoid confusion on the market place, i.e., that the PAS procedure would make a lot of sense at this point, there is an aspect that we have to discuss. 

 

ISO submission put aside, we will have to decide whether we want to turn the EPUB 3.3 publication into a "living standard" or not. "Living standard" means the following. Once this WG runs out of its charter, we set up a low-key "maintenance WG", which handles errata and, possibly, looks at the outstanding issues (see [1] for those at the moment). The WG will have the possibility to make 'fast-track' updates of the EPUB 3.3 by, for example, handling errata but, more importantly, solving another issue listed in [1] and adding a new normative feature (remember the discussion we had on Webtoons in [2]). Fast track means that we do not have to go through a WG draft, it ends up "editing" an existing standard quickly. Bottom line: we may end up issuing a new version of EPUB 3.3 once a year, or once every 18 months if necessary.

 

Coming back to the original issue: Makoto, can you tell us what that would mean in terms of ISO? Can ISO accept such quick turnover on new versions? How long does it take to submit a new version of EPUB 3.3 via the PAS procedure? The danger is that, with a Living EPUB 3.3 standard, we would get out of sync with ISO very quickly, which would beat the purpose of a PAS submission. 

 

Cheers

 

Ivan

 

[1] https://github.com/w3c/epub-specs/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3AStatus-Deferred <https://github.com/w3c/epub-specs/issues?q=is:issue+is:open+label:Status-Deferred> 

[2] https://github.com/w3c/epub-specs/issues/2412

 

 

 





On 8 Dec 2022, at 03:58, Shinya Takami <takami-s@kadokawa.jp <mailto:takami-s@kadokawa.jp> > wrote:

 

Murata-san,

 

Could you explain what and who should do for that at the call?

 

 

Thanks

Shinya

 

 

 

2022年12月8日(木) 9:55 MURATA <eb2mmrt@gmail.com <mailto:eb2mmrt@gmail.com> >:

All,

 

> What do we do after EPUB 3.3?

 

I propose to submit EPUB 3.3, EPUB RS 3.3, and 

EPUB A11Y 1.1 to ISO/IEC JTC1 using the PAS 

submission procedure.  In my understanding, the 

PAS agreement between W3C and JTC1 implies 

that JTC1 will attach cover pages and will not touch 

anything.  This is how WCAG 2.0 was published 

as ISO/IEC 40500:2012.

 

Replacing old versions in JTC1 by new versions 

is good for avoiding unnecessary confusion.  In 

particular, I can start to revise the JIS version 

of EPUB A11Y.

 

Regards,

Makoto

 

2022年12月7日(水) 23:20 Reid, Wendy <wendy.reid@rakuten.com <mailto:wendy.reid@rakuten.com> >:

Thursday 8 December 2022
Time: 7:00 PM Boston (60min)
Local date/time link: https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=EPUB3WG+Meeting <https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=EPUB3WG+Meeting&iso=20221208T19&p1=43&ah=1> &iso=20221208T19&p1=43&ah=1 

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Topics:
1 – Testing Updates [1]

2 – MIME Sniffing [2]

3 – What do we do after EPUB 3.3?


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[2] https://github.com/w3c/epub-specs/issues/2491

 


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