Re: EOCred: name search for credentialing organization

I think it depends on whether the distinction between offering and 
issuing is going to be important.

For example a credential might be offered by several organizations and 
it might be important to know which of those had issued a specific 
instance. That's a bit hypothetical, I have no strong feel for how often 
such a distinction would matter in practice (or even if it really happens).

issuedBy also has the merit of being simpler, more direct.

Phil


On 26/03/18 16:29, Vicki Tardif wrote:
> I think using "offers" works for the use case of understanding which 
> organizations offer a particular credential, but does this work as 
> well for the eventual use case of "Person X earned Credential Y from 
> Organization Z"?
>
> If "issuedBy" works better for the latter, maybe we should also use it 
> for this use case.
>
> - Vicki
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 9:04 AM, Phil Barker <phil.barker@pjjk.co.uk 
> <mailto:phil.barker@pjjk.co.uk>> wrote:
>
>     Looking through the use cases
>     <https://www.w3.org/community/eocred-schema/wiki/Use_Cases#Name_search_for_credentialing_organization>
>     for Educational Occupational Credentials in schema.org
>     <http://schema.org>, I see we have one for
>
>>
>>           Name search for credentialing organization
>>
>>     It should be possible to search and find credentials by the name
>>     of the credentialing organization.
>>
>>         *Requires:*ability to show relationship between educational /
>>         occupational credential objects and descriptions or
>>         representations of credentialling organization
>>
>     Also,
>
>>
>>           Find credentialing organization[edit
>>           <https://www.w3.org/community/eocred-schema/wiki/index.php?title=Use_Cases&action=edit&section=26>]
>>
>>     Having identified a credential, it should be possible to find the
>>     credentialing organization.
>>
>     I think we have already solved these back when we discussed cost
>     of a credential. We solved this in part by use of the the
>     schema.org <http://schema.org> offers property and Offer type. As
>     I think Richard pointed out at the time, the Offer type has a
>     property 'offeredBy' so we can say:
>
>     {
>        "@context":"http://schema.org/" <http://schema.org/>,
>        "@type": "EducationalOccupationalCredential",
>        "url" :"https://example.org/ecocred" <https://example.org/ecocred>,
>        "name": "Example",
>        "offers": {
>          "@type": "Offer",
>          "offeredBy" : {
>            "@type": "Organization",
>            "name": "Example org",
>            "url":"https://example.org/" <https://example.org/>
>          }
>        }
>     }
>
>     The Example credential is offered by Example.org.
>
>     Does anyone think this is not sufficient to meet the use case?
>
>     An alternative is to co-opt the issuedBy
>     <http://schema.org/issuedBy> property from Permit
>     <http://schema.org/Permit>. But one important aspect of our work
>     here is that we are dealing /primarily/ with the offer of a
>     Credential, not a claim that someone has earned one. That is,
>     BadgeClass rather than Assertions if you appreciate a parallel
>     with Open Badges. So offeredBy seems the better fit to me.
>
>     There is a note in the use cases that "there may be several
>     different significant types of relationship between credentials
>     and organizations". We have a separate use case for quality
>     assurance that would cover accreditation, recognition etc., of the
>     credentialing organization and which we can discuss later.
>
>     Regards, Phil
>
>
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number SC569282.
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England number OC399090