Re: EOCred: show other requirements

Phil,

I think I see where you are coming from. And it is obviously a challenge to
not just duplicate other standards in schema.org (like CTDL).

However, isn't "My inclination would be to leave it for later, when we know
more about how people use these properties." the classic chicken and the
egg problem? people won't use it because it doesn't cover their use case?
and we won't build it because we don't see the use case needed?

- Hugh

On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 3:21 AM, Phil Barker <phil.barker@pjjk.co.uk> wrote:

> Thank you Stuart & Hugh,
>
> I would also like to add that in the normal context of use for schema.org
> (marking up web pages) not all the information provided needs to be marked
> up. If we don't have a term for these other requirements, it will still be
> possible for web pages to list them. In contexts where there is no web
> page, perhaps a more specialised vocabulary should be used e.g. CTDL
> condition profile <http://www.credreg.net/ctdl/terms#ConditionProfile>
> [1].
>
> (This is actually a comment I was going to make about modelling optional
> competencies when I mentioned [2] these are not covered by
> competencyRequired
> <https://www.w3.org/community/eocred-schema/wiki/Competencies_for_credential>
> but it applies here also).
>
> So, shall we not model other requirements in schema.org?
>
> Phil
> 1. http://www.credreg.net/ctdl/terms#ConditionProfile
> 2. https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-eocred-schema/
> 2018Mar/0015.html
>
>
> On 19/03/18 17:26, Stuart Sutton wrote:
>
> Phil, I think requirements beyond competencies are necessary. Knowing what
> is going to be required getting in and getting out are critical pieces of
> information in making decisions. However, as Hugh touches on lightly in his
> response, the question of other requirements shares some of the level of
> complexity we ran into with costs; i.e., other requirements for what? The
> actual credential, a course (of study) leading to the credential, or an
> assessment leading to it.
>
> On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 2:55 AM, Phil Barker <phil.barker@pjjk.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> Not all requirements for educational and occupational credentials are
>> related to competencies. Examples include minimum age requirements or a
>> period of work experience as a trainee.
>>
>> We could deal with this with a new property:
>>
>> name: otherRequirements
>>
>> definition: conditions such as a traineeship period, or minimum age, etc.
>> that must be fulfilled in order to hold this Educational Occupational
>> Credential. Do not use for competency requirements or fees.
>>
>> Does anyone think that this is not necessary?
>>
>> Phil
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>
>
>
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> Phil Barker <http://people.pjjk.net/phil>. http://people.pjjk.net/phil
> PJJK Limited <https://www.pjjk.co.uk>: technology to enhance learning;
> information systems for education.
> CETIS LLP: a cooperative consultancy for innovation in education
> technology.
>
> PJJK Limited is registered in Scotland as a private limited company,
> number SC569282.
> CETIS is a co-operative limited liability partnership, registered in
> England number OC399090
>