Re: EOCred: cost of a credential

Strike "requires" in the last two paragraphs, replace with "qualifications"

On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 3:23 AM, Fritz Ray <fritley@gmail.com> wrote:

> I feel like we could extend Offer in a way that perhaps takes care of the
> restrictiveness of eligableCustomerType.
>
> If we make a hollow class inbetween CreativeWork and EOC, say CreativeWork
> > Credential > EOC then we could propose a property in Offer: '
> qualifications <http://schema.org/qualifications>' adding a range of
> 'Credential'
>
> The use case I can think of immediately is: One cannot get a bank account
> without a form of identification (a type of Credential), one cannot buy
> insurance without a Driver's License. One cannot work in classified areas
> without a Security Clearance (which is not an EOC)
>
> Regional credentials or citizenship could also be required to get
> different types of offers (a discount if one's a registered veteran, a
> member of a professional society, or some such) that, as Richard mentioned,
> could have different pricing.
>
> Requires could also be used in other areas.
>
> Demand could also have 'requires', for situation where one needs a
> commercially insured driver, or an individual with a certain degree to
> satisfy their demand.
> JobPosting could add Credential to the range of 'qualifications'
>
> On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 3:04 AM, Richard Wallis <
> richard.wallis@dataliberate.com> wrote:
>
>> +1
>>
>> I would just add, for those not familiar with Offer
>> <http://schema.org/Offer> a *Thing* [an EducationalOccupationalCredential
>> in this case] can be the subject of multiple *offers*.  Also Offer has
>> an offeredBy <http://schema.org/offeredBy> property linking to the
>> offering organisation or person.
>>
>> These enable use cases of an organisation offering the same
>> *EducationalOccupationalCredent**ial* at differing costs to different
>> subjects with differing eligibility and; 3rd parties listing disparate
>> organisations offering the same *EducationalOccupationalCredent**ial*.
>>
>> ~Richard
>>
>> Richard Wallis
>> Founder, Data Liberate
>> http://dataliberate.com
>> Linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/richardwallis
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>>
>> On 26 January 2018 at 10:40, Phil Barker <phil.barker@pjjk.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> I want to try and keep some momentum by doing some of the quick and easy
>>> use cases while we discuss the more difficult ones. I think this is one:
>>>
>>> Cost
>>> Having found a credential it should be possible to identify the cost of
>>> acquiring the credential.
>>>
>>> Requires: ability to show relevant cost for educational / occupational
>>> credential objects
>>> Note: this implies that a credential is offered
>>>
>>> This is the cost of the credential itself, not the cost of courses,
>>> training or other things required in order to earn the credential (these
>>> costs can be shown when describing those other things).
>>>
>>> schema.org has means for specifying the cost of things with the offers
>>> <http://schema.org/offers> property which we could use. If
>>> EducationalOccupationalCredential is a CreativeWork, then we already
>>> have the offers property (if it is not, we may need change the domain of
>>> the existing offers property)
>>>
>>> A simple example
>>>
>>> {
>>>   "@context": "http://schema.org/" <http://schema.org/>,
>>>   "@type": "EducationalOccupationalCredential",
>>>   "url" : "https://www.alt.ac.uk/certified-membership"
>>> <https://www.alt.ac.uk/certified-membership>,
>>>   "name": "CMALT",
>>>   "description": "Certified Membership of the Association for Learning
>>> Technology",
>>>   "offers": {
>>>     "@type": "Offer",
>>>     "name": "Registration fee (UK)",
>>>     "price": "150",
>>>     "priceCurrency": "GBP"
>>>   }
>>> }
>>>
>>> Offers <http://schema.org/Offer> can get quite complex, allowing
>>> different currencies, different offers for different regions, add on offers
>>> etc.  I think it would cover our needs adequately; the only potential
>>> problem I can see is that eligibleCustomerType as defined is too
>>> restrictive to provide information like "special price for military
>>> veterans". My approach to this would be to 1) raise this as an issue with
>>> schema.org. 2) provide text values anyway (schema.org allows this)
>>>
>>> Any objections? Have I missed anything?
>>>
>>> Phil
>>> --
>>>
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>>>
>>
>>
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