Re: EOCred: Addressing requirements from use cases

In principle creating an *EducationalOccupationalCredent**ial* type
and making it a subtype of *CreativeWork* make sense to me.  This is a good
start. However the following practical thoughts come to mind:

   - Just looking at the name *EducationalOccupationalCredent**ial* makes
   me think that it should have a basic super-type of *Credential* that is
   not tied to the Educational / Occupational domains.  I can already
   anticipate the questions about marking up some form of general
   qualification, measure of achievement, recognised membership level, or
   attendance, that the developer does not consider either educational or
   occupational.

   - In practice “*properties like educationalAlignment, audience, offers,
   provider, hasPart, datePublished, dateModified, expires, creator (and
   possibly others) will be useful in describing
   EducationalOccupationalCredentials.*” Is not sufficient reason on its
   own for minting yet another subtype of CreativeWork.  Do we believe such a
   thing is a type of Creative Work?

   I had a recent proposal for a new subtype of CreativeWork, using similar
   justification, knocked back in the Schema.org Github in this way:

   “ *No, we really can*
*’t make TouristTrip a subclass of CreativeWork … that *
*would be way way too much of a hack. * *Lets add more domain/ranges to the
   relevant properties.”*


   I am not saying we would get the same response but we need good
   justification for such a proposal.



~Richard.

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On 9 January 2018 at 10:15, Bob Dolan <bob@diverselearnersconsulting.com>
wrote:

> Listing the requirements for each use case is very helpful. Using
> schema.org/CreativeWork makes sense to me.
>
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> On Jan 9, 2018, at 4:21 AM, Phil Barker <phil.barker@pjjk.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Thanks Ryan, yes hooking into an existing schema.org type can minimize
> the number of new properties that are required. Don't worry about Course
> having an educationalCredentialAwarded property being a distraction: I
> think that we will be connecting to that when we get further down the list
> of use cases.
>
> Phil
>
> On 08/01/18 20:50, Ryan Price wrote:
>
> I think this makes a lot of sense, to extend CreativeWork.
>
> For example, when CreativeWork is extended to Course, you only add 4
> properties:
> https://schema.org/Course
>
> courseCode
> coursePrerequisites
> educationalCredentialAwarded (oops, maybe I picked a bad example, since
> this mentions Credential. Don’t get distracted by this property!)
> hasCourseInstance
>
> ++
>
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> On Jan 8, 2018, at 6:34 AM, Phil Barker <phil.barker@pjjk.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> Thank you for your input prioritising the use cases for Educational and
> Occupational Credentials. I have arranged to outline use cases
> <https://www.w3.org/community/eocred-schema/wiki/Use_Cases> to reflect
> these priorities.
>
> I have also indicated what I think is required in order to meet these use
> cases. Please take a look and let me know if I have missed anything.
>
> I propose we work through these requirements, trying to meet as many of
> them as possible with existing schema.org terms, and defining new terms
> where required.
>
> Picking two requirements from near the top of the list, we need to
>
> 1. be able to identify that an object is a educational / occupational
> credential
>
> 2. be able to identify name of an educational / occupational credential
> object
>
> I propose that we create a new schema.org class / type of thing, an
> EducationalOccupationalCredential
>
> definition: An educational or occupational credential. A diploma, academic
> degree, certification, qualification, badge, etc., that may be awarded to a
> person or other entity that meets the requirements defined by the
> credentialer.
>
> This will inherit the URL and name properties from schema.org/Thing thus
> meeting the requirements above.
>
> Furthermore, I think that it is logical and will allow reuse of several
> properties if we consider the EducationalOccupationalCredential to be a
> subtype of schema.org/CreativeWork. I think properties like
> educationalAlignment, audience, offers, provider, hasPart, datePublished,
> dateModified, expires, creator (and possibly others) will be useful in
> describing EducationalOccupationalCredentials.
>
> Any comments?
>
> Phil.
>
>
> [outline use cases] https://www.w3.org/community/
> eocred-schema/wiki/Use_Cases
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