Re: EOCred: cost of a credential

On 01/02/18 15:09, Richard Wallis wrote:
> This looks like good basic description, that mentions the complexities 
> without over burdening with their details.
>
> In the/an example it might be beneficial to show the use of the 
> /offerdBy/ property of /Offer/ to show how a Credential could be 
> linked to the organisation offering it.

Done.

>
> With reference to:
>
>         we have a use case to provide a mechanism to link from
>         credential to Course, which will also be relevant
>
> Are you suggesting an inverse property for educationalCredentialAwarded?
>
I am merely stating we have the use case

The mechanism could be an inverse property, some syntactic glue like 
JSON-LD @reverse / RDFa rev, or even agreement (if you have enough of 
the world's data, and if I understand enough SPARQL)
   SELECT ?Course ?Credential
   WHERE { ?Course schema:educationalCredentialAwarded  ?Credential . }
is pretty much the same as
   SELECT ?Credential ?Course
   WHERE { ?Credential schema:awardedAfterCourse  ?Course . }

Please, let's not start that discussion in this thread!

Phil

> ~Richard.
>
> Richard Wallis
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>
> On 1 February 2018 at 14:54, Phil Barker <phil.barker@pjjk.co.uk 
> <mailto:phil.barker@pjjk.co.uk>> wrote:
>
>     I have attempted to express some of the discussion around
>     providing information about costs of credentials and associated
>     courses and assessments on the EOCred wiki
>     <https://www.w3.org/community/eocred-schema/wiki/User:Philbarker/Draft:_costs_for_educational_/_occupational_credential>
>
>     The general principle is to describe costs of independent things
>     separately, so that they can be aggregated in an intelligent and
>     context-dependent manner, but where the /offer/ of one thing is
>     dependent an /offer/ of another, use the addOn property.
>
>     I recognise that this is incomplete. It depends on things in
>     schema.org <http://schema.org> that don't yet exist, but also I
>     don't think we can hope to cover every eventuality.
>
>     I am interested in how far this goes to meeting the objection that
>     Stuart expressed about the initial over-simple proposal, and
>     whether it includes enough information to cover the possibilities
>     Richard has been highlighting.
>
>     Phil
>
>
>     On 26/01/18 10:40, Phil Barker wrote:
>>
>>     I want to try and keep some momentum by doing some of the quick
>>     and easy use cases while we discuss the more difficult ones. I
>>     think this is one:
>>
>>     Cost
>>     Having found a credential it should be possible to identify the
>>     cost of acquiring the credential.
>>
>>     Requires: ability to show relevant cost for educational /
>>     occupational credential objects
>>     Note: this implies that a credential is offered
>>
>>     This is the cost of the credential itself, not the cost of
>>     courses, training or other things required in order to earn the
>>     credential (these costs can be shown when describing those other
>>     things).
>>
>>     schema.org <http://schema.org> has means for specifying the cost
>>     of things with the offers <http://schema.org/offers> property
>>     which we could use. If EducationalOccupationalCredential is a
>>     CreativeWork, then we already have the offers property (if it is
>>     not, we may need change the domain of the existing offers property)
>>
>>     A simple example
>>
>>     {
>>       "@context": "http://schema.org/" <http://schema.org/>,
>>       "@type": "EducationalOccupationalCredential",
>>       "url" : "https://www.alt.ac.uk/certified-membership"
>>     <https://www.alt.ac.uk/certified-membership>,
>>       "name": "CMALT",
>>       "description": "Certified Membership of the Association for
>>     Learning Technology",
>>       "offers": {
>>         "@type": "Offer",
>>         "name": "Registration fee (UK)",
>>         "price": "150",
>>         "priceCurrency": "GBP"
>>       }
>>     }
>>
>>     Offers <http://schema.org/Offer> can get quite complex, allowing
>>     different currencies, different offers for different regions, add
>>     on offers etc. I think it would cover our needs adequately; the
>>     only potential problem I can see is that eligibleCustomerType as
>>     defined is too restrictive to provide information like "special
>>     price for military veterans". My approach to this would be to 1)
>>     raise this as an issue with schema.org <http://schema.org>. 2)
>>     provide text values anyway (schema.org <http://schema.org> allows
>>     this)
>>
>>     Any objections? Have I missed anything?
>>
>>     Phil
>>
>>     -- 
>>
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>>     http://people.pjjk.net/phil
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>
>     -- 
>
>     Phil Barker <http://people.pjjk.net/phil>. http://people.pjjk.net/phil
>     PJJK Limited <https://www.pjjk.co.uk>: technology to enhance
>     learning; information systems for education.
>     CETIS LLP: a cooperative consultancy for innovation in education
>     technology.
>
>     PJJK Limited is registered in Scotland as a private limited
>     company, number SC569282.
>     CETIS is a co-operative limited liability partnership, registered
>     in England number OC399090
>
>

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PJJK Limited <https://www.pjjk.co.uk>: technology to enhance learning; 
information systems for education.
CETIS LLP: a cooperative consultancy for innovation in education technology.

PJJK Limited is registered in Scotland as a private limited company, 
number SC569282.
CETIS is a co-operative limited liability partnership, registered in 
England number OC399090

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