Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Upcoming Review by COGA

Thank you so much for getting to this quickly, Rain and Lisa.

I created a GitHub issue and assigned it to the Editors:
 https://github.com/w3c/wai-people-use-web/issues/120


We announced the survey extension that you requested, so we might not get other input until that closes.

We might have questions for your further input as we work through your comments, and other comments from the survey.

We will let you know when we have the next revision ready for you to look at -- and you can decide if you have more input before it goes to the COGA TF.

Best,
~Shawn


On 26-Jul-21 12:12 PM, Rain Michaels wrote:
> Hello Brent, Shawn, and Kris Anne,
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> Lisa and I discussed the User Stories in depth this morning.
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> We don’t feel comfortable asking the larger COGA Task Force to review any further at this time. Much of the framing of cognitive differences and disabilities in the current user stories may be upsetting to COGA TF participants, as they are largely stereotypical and not representative of the lived experience of our actual participants.
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> Notes from Lisa and Rain’s review of the current stories (as of July 26, 2021) are documented in this Google Doc <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1K87FbKnCj67DcCjnvbf0oheMRTRypdFinIVDtF-xr8I/edit#>. Some of these are general, some are specific. I'll also add this document link to the survey. We feel that the larger COGA TF can be requested to review the stories once these notes have been addressed.
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> We would be happy to set up a call, or have one of us join an existing EOWG call, to answer questions or concerns about our notes if this would be helpful.
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> Thank you,
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> Rain
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> On Thu, Jul 22, 2021 at 3:04 PM Bakken, Brent <Brent.Bakken@pearson.com <mailto:Brent.Bakken@pearson.com>> wrote:
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>     Hi Kris Anne,____
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>     Thank you for the update and the request for additional time. We are happy to adjust to provide the needed time for review. It is so important to capture all perspectives as we update these user stories. ____
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>     We have adjusted the survey to close two weeks later; on Monday, 9 August.____
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>     Once again, here is the direct link to the survey: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/1/people-use-web-starfish-1/ <https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/1/people-use-web-starfish-1/>____
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>     It is also listed and linked to on the WAI Group Coordination page <https://www.w3.org/wiki/WAI_Group_Coordination>.____
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>     Thank you for communicating this information.____
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>     Brent____
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>     *From:*Kinney, Kris Anne <kakinney@ets.org <mailto:kakinney@ets.org>>
>     *Sent:* Thursday, July 22, 2021 10:51 AM
>     *To:* Rain Michaels <rainb@google.com <mailto:rainb@google.com>>; Shawn Henry <shawn@w3.org <mailto:shawn@w3.org>>
>     *Cc:* lisa1seeman@gmail.com <mailto:lisa1seeman@gmail.com>; Rachael Bradley Montgomery <rachael@accessiblecommunity.org <mailto:rachael@accessiblecommunity.org>>; Michael Cooper <cooper@w3.org <mailto:cooper@w3.org>>; Roy Ran <ran@w3.org <mailto:ran@w3.org>>; Steve Lee <stevelee@w3.org <mailto:stevelee@w3.org>>; public-eo-archive@w3.org <mailto:public-eo-archive@w3.org>; group-eo-chairs@w3.org <mailto:group-eo-chairs@w3.org>; Bakken, Brent <Brent.Bakken@Pearson.com>; Lisa Seeman <lisa.seeman@zoho.com <mailto:lisa.seeman@zoho.com>>
>     *Subject:* Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Upcoming Review by COGA____
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>     Good morning,____
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>     After the COGA meeting this morning, COGA has requested two more weeks to look at the User Stories and provide feedback.  We didn’t get to dedicate much time in this weeks meeting and will set aside time in next week’s meeting (possibly next two meetings) to discuss them as a group.____
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>     I’ve asked the participants to look at the user stories ahead of the meeting to help us jump into a discussion and be able to provide constructive feedback on how the user stories could be strengthened to support the needs of web users with cognitive disabilities. ____
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>     Thanks,____
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>     Kris Anne____
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>     -- 
>     Kris Anne Kinney, CPACC____
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>     Senior Accessibility Specialist____
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>     An accessibility consultation early in a project helps avoid barriers later.  Submit an Accessibility Work Request <https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fetsorg1.sharepoint.com%2Fteams%2Frd%2Fa11y%2FLists%2FAccessiblity%2520Work%2520Requests%2Factive.aspx&data=04%7C01%7CBrent.Bakken%40pearson.com%7C86bd5b67391a47775b6208d94d2892fc%7C8cc434d797d047d3b5c514fe0e33e34b%7C0%7C0%7C637625658930314663%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=cSrHkivzQWQI%2Bn3pj6tKb330nUqBOdnmflFmtNQhUmQ%3D&reserved=0> today. ____
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>     Upcoming OOO – August 5^th and 6^th ____
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>     *From: *Rain Michaels <rainb@google.com <mailto:rainb@google.com>>
>     *Date: *Monday, July 19, 2021 at 10:56 AM
>     *To: *Shawn Henry <shawn@w3.org <mailto:shawn@w3.org>>
>     *Cc: *Kinney, Kris Anne <kakinney@ets.org <mailto:kakinney@ets.org>>, lisa1seeman@gmail.com <mailto:lisa1seeman@gmail.com> <lisa1seeman@gmail.com <mailto:lisa1seeman@gmail.com>>, Rachael Bradley Montgomery <rachael@accessiblecommunity.org <mailto:rachael@accessiblecommunity.org>>, Michael Cooper <cooper@w3.org <mailto:cooper@w3.org>>, Roy Ran <ran@w3.org <mailto:ran@w3.org>>, Steve Lee <stevelee@w3.org <mailto:stevelee@w3.org>>, public-eo-archive@w3.org <mailto:public-eo-archive@w3.org> <public-eo-archive@w3.org <mailto:public-eo-archive@w3.org>>, group-eo-chairs@w3.org <mailto:group-eo-chairs@w3.org> <group-eo-chairs@w3.org <mailto:group-eo-chairs@w3.org>>, Bakken, Brent <Brent.Bakken@pearson.com <mailto:Brent.Bakken@pearson.com>>, Lisa Seeman <lisa.seeman@zoho.com <mailto:lisa.seeman@zoho.com>>
>     *Subject: *[EXTERNAL] Re: Upcoming Review by COGA____
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>     Thank you for this update. Adding Lisa at her zoho.com <https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fzoho.com%2F&data=04%7C01%7CBrent.Bakken%40pearson.com%7C86bd5b67391a47775b6208d94d2892fc%7C8cc434d797d047d3b5c514fe0e33e34b%7C0%7C0%7C637625658930324655%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=OPy5SlRgsXwm0BgehwFRqZB1G1vWj69ohb9odan2tnw%3D&reserved=0>email address, as well, so that she can more easily see this thread.____
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>     Given the delay in the survey, are you able to update us with the new expectations for when feedback is needed?____
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>     On Fri, Jul 16, 2021 at 12:58 PM Shawn Henry <shawn@w3.org <mailto:shawn@w3.org>> wrote:____
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>         Hi Kris Anne and Rain,
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>         We've had a little glitch in the survey. It might not be ready until next week. The draft is ready for review! It starts here:
>         https://deploy-preview-113--wai-people-use-web.netlify.app/people-use-web/user-stories/ <https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdeploy-preview-113--wai-people-use-web.netlify.app%2Fpeople-use-web%2Fuser-stories%2F&data=04%7C01%7CBrent.Bakken%40pearson.com%7C86bd5b67391a47775b6208d94d2892fc%7C8cc434d797d047d3b5c514fe0e33e34b%7C0%7C0%7C637625658930324655%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=Uhr%2F5ft1TxoemJoxKcGY7GjcuSGozGlZADfm28VI0js%3D&reserved=0>
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>         We assume COGA folks will be particularly interested in:
>         * Preety https://deploy-preview-113--wai-people-use-web.netlify.app/people-use-web/user-stories-eight/ <https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdeploy-preview-113--wai-people-use-web.netlify.app%2Fpeople-use-web%2Fuser-stories-eight%2F&data=04%7C01%7CBrent.Bakken%40pearson.com%7C86bd5b67391a47775b6208d94d2892fc%7C8cc434d797d047d3b5c514fe0e33e34b%7C0%7C0%7C637625658930334653%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=KfO%2FBQNjji66mDPJHlPV2OGRPPJ0ohhGJTlW0e9Ff2c%3D&reserved=0>
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>         * Blair https://deploy-preview-113--wai-people-use-web.netlify.app/people-use-web/user-stories-two/ <https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdeploy-preview-113--wai-people-use-web.netlify.app%2Fpeople-use-web%2Fuser-stories-two%2F&data=04%7C01%7CBrent.Bakken%40pearson.com%7C86bd5b67391a47775b6208d94d2892fc%7C8cc434d797d047d3b5c514fe0e33e34b%7C0%7C0%7C637625658930354643%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=olPCH44s1LTQLT2uFP1%2FNWwQHiWxEDqAvgMK72rrcZY%3D&reserved=0> (note that "Blair" is is not "fleshed" out, yet it is ready for COGA input)
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>         Most of the others also have user needs that overlap with COGA, including Lee, Noor, Alex -- however, they are not the primary focus.
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>         Sharron or Brent will get back to you when the survey is ready. I'm not sure if that will be today or next week.
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>         Best,
>         ~Shawn
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>         On 13-Jul-21 10:24 AM, Rain Michaels wrote:
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>          > I wanted to follow up and let you know that we alerted the COGA task force that this is coming, and will be repeating the reminder on our meeting on Thursday (July 15). We will also set aside time to discuss on our July 22 meeting.
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>          > On Fri, Jul 2, 2021 at 3:15 PM Bakken, Brent <Brent.Bakken@pearson.com <mailto:Brent.Bakken@pearson.com> <mailto:Brent.Bakken@pearson.com <mailto:Brent.Bakken@pearson.com>>> wrote:
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>          >     Hi Kris Anne, and Others,____
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>          >     EWOG would like to make you all aware of an upcoming request for review through a EOWG survey. This is a separate project from the video scripts we have recently been working on. Just wanted to give good prior notice of what is to come.____
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>         <https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2FWAI%2Fpeople-use-web%2Fuser-stories%2F&data=04%7C01%7CBrent.Bakken%40pearson.com%7C86bd5b67391a47775b6208d94d2892fc%7C8cc434d797d047d3b5c514fe0e33e34b%7C0%7C0%7C637625658930364634%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=osHTwC6mgsDwy%2Fko6tY4fT8RcbiSbAw4zWrLFKXV5Mc%3D&reserved=0>> [2] page structure and content. Please don’t review this page as it is what we are making changes to. The survey will guide the review of the new content.____
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>          >     *_What We are Seeking Input On:_____*
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>          >     There are some user stories that we are seeking input from COGA to be sure we are accurately including cognitive issues and considerations in these user stories.____
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>          >     We are targeting to have a survey ready on July 16^th that we can send to Kris Anne to be circulated among the COGA group. The survey will include all directions, background and links so feedback can be provided.____
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>          >     If you have the survey by July 16^th , would COGA be able to provide feedback by the end of the day on Monday, July 26^th ? If more time is needed, please let us know so that we can reset our own internal timelines.____
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>          >     As always, thank you for your time and effort on making the WAI resources the best they can be.____
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